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Post by vincent on Feb 6, 2018 2:54:30 GMT -8
Kayto "Sometimes Logic Isn't Ensured In My Decision Making" Shields
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Post by vincent on Nov 2, 2017 7:08:28 GMT -8
I made a post that is floating around the boards about what the community's opinion is on the state of Sunrider now. What I saw was that the vast majority thought it was in a good spot or in a spot of opportunity. Though more importantly what I saw was that nobody ever really addressed proper criticisms about what is done wrong. I have been worried about sounding too harsh or my tone coming off as too rude when making this thread which is why I have avoided it for months. But I have sat down to get this done. I just want to say lastly that my word does not have to be fact and to anyone who reads this to know that this comes from a fan who spent hours discussing builds on the Steam Forums back when Mask of Arcadius and First Arrival was all we had and talking to those fans on Steam about lore and all the more about the series and having the blast.
The Crew Never Feels Unified
Sure in promotional art and battles it looks like they are the crew that the fans have referred to before as The Holy Nine but when it comes to actual lore it feels like they could not be more divided and it just wears on them overall. In each VN for Sunrider it almost feels as if not even the writer can find himself to be writing a story in which everybody on the Sunrider is that unified crew that they want to be. It's never their story or the story of the revival of the Alliance, it always has to be Ava's Story or Chigara's Story or just someone's story to the point of it taking away proper development from characters and making them almost sit in an absolute stasis as one goes through their own story and Chigara's in particular never even developed. It feels like Kryska, Icari, Sola, and Claude have just been completely on the sidelines the entire story waiting to come in for "their arc" and that's in essence what ruins that feeling. The feeling that a character needs to have their own arc to even have relevancy in the story. I missed the idea of the crew all going together for the common goal that they all had together, not a divided bunch who all find themselves to be doing their own thing on one giant ship. This divide is truly shown simply by the ending of Liberation Day in which nobody had sympathized for Chigara even with all evidence pointing towards the fact that she wasn't responsible for what had happened.
[Re]Turn Fixed Nothing
This is a controversial statement to many since a lot do think that the [Re]Turn patch made Liberation Day good. But whenever I look back at it something about it always just seems bittersweet about it all knowing it isn't canon. Kayto actually developing and Ava feeling like his wingman. Choices actually being prevalent and being able to fix the fate that could have happened. Lore wise it fixed nothing and all it added was H-Scenes and that doesn't fix that hole that is in Liberation Day. It almost feels less satisfying than it already is simply because it is showing that not even a god can truly fix the reality of it. I know Liberation Day couldn't have been reworked but something about trying to fix what was unfixable in a simple rushed patch felt nothing short of beating the horse that was already dead.
Self Awareness Isn't A Funny Gag/Kayto Shields Is Not A Good Character
Something always bugged me about the fact that with a group of a ton of individuals and one even feeling like they are on top of the word with the Sharr that the person who can look at the crew during their times of celebration and tell them in a passive aggressive way that their world is fake and nothing short of a story numerous times is the man with PTSD and has lost the most. This always bugged me because what could have been his way of coping with what is going on around him is not ever shown to be a way of coping by viewing the world as a farce as much as it just feels like a poorly done gag. This makes Kayto himself feel less honorable as a character for what character he has and it only makes his losses feel even more hypocritical and meaningless with the way he acts about them. The fact that he can look at his crew and tell them they are in a "Mecha Eroge VN" and then less than a couple hours later turn into an absolute mess over the fact that the love of his life is dead and feels he can value the world then even though he seems fairly certain on the idea that nothing matters. This gag goes as far as making him seem dumb in some cases in which if he had such self awareness and omnipotence, then why in the world is he so fearful in some of the things he does? It just feels tacky and poorly done and even with the character we are supposed to see ourselves in he doesn't feel like the hero or even a protagonist of the story when his personality is questioning the moral standpoint he has in conflict.
Chigara's Arc/The Mask For Criticism
Looking back at First Arrival and Mask of Arcadius we can see that there is no choice in what route you go and Kayto is more aligned with the route of pursuing Ava the majority of the time and this was never a problem to the majority of fans this was because her common route was done very well and held the balance of the story. While in contrast Chigara's Arc was controlling the story around her and upon that left the majority of the fans angry. The fans have a consensus that they do not like the character of Chigara and this feels like it's because of that arc primarily. The reason why this is an issue is ever since the complaints began I never saw anyone judge the arc for what had been done wrong on the writing end of Liberation Day and Chigara's Arc and how that could have been fixed, what was criticized instead was Chigara's Character. While it is correct to criticize her character I feel what's wrong here is the lack of actual criticizing of how her character was written as much as just throwing the blame on her being a bad character. While this may not be the intention of the fans what it almost feels like is that they are blaming the pen the writer is using rather than the writer himself. This is a faulty way of thinking simply because like a character a pen cannot speak for itself and the person wielding it will show the quality of it in the majority of cases. In conclusion this goes back to my statement at the beginning of how it feels nobody made a proper criticism of what was truly done wrong and chose what they wanted to blame. No matter which way you cut it, a character cannot be bad unless the writer themselves fails to make them good.
Lack of Motive
Every time I look back at the crew I see a lack of motivation for what they are doing. You could say that the destruction of Cera has something to do with it but it is never conveyed in the story beyond the introduction that this is their reasoning for tracking down The Empire and destroying PACT. With that reasoning hardly ever being glossed upon beyond the intro, what is their real reason? The point they are at right now things seem to be more bleak and they don't even seem to know what they want to achieve with Fontana in contrast seeming to just have a motive that we aren't shown.
Eroge v. Story
While Sunrider may have been able to get this far with having the slowly incoming equals of these two styles of the VN, we already see issues coming in with the hate towards the common routes they give and the fallback into making a lens of what could have been while making a mini eroge to please fans in the DLC. They have to make a choice here whether or not they want to cater to the story of Sunrider or if it shall let itself fall into becoming an eroge. Because we have fans of Sunrider who liked it for the lore it had and the potential it has and others who like it for eroge. With Starnova coming out and Love in Space showing that they are capable of handling more than one project thought I do not see how they couldn't manage not letting the two seep into each other and they hold their respective values as story and eroge as separates. Because from what we have seen in a lot of cases and this one too, if you try to please everyone you only end up hurting more than if you just stuck to your guns on one side.
Conclusion
This goes back to the topic of the thread at hand of where the fans have gone. The fans are gone because of reasons like these, while I would not speak for all of them the vast majority have left for reasons like this. Whether it be at the fault of anybody or not. But the primary one is the choice of whether Sunrider itself is going to decide to be this half and half eroge story in which whenever the fans are unhappy just hand them fanservice of Kayto being a guy who is on a ship which is practically a sorority when it needs to be or if there is ever going to be a real direction for the story. I myself am not going to support the series further but it does not mean that I have lost all hope, I would be happier to just see the story finally decide what it's going to be rather than the course it's going down right now. If you have read all of this, thank you and please try to keep the discussion civil.
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Post by vincent on Sept 9, 2017 7:39:18 GMT -8
(My apologies if a similar thread already exists, my brief glances did not reveal one) After putting it off for far too long, I spent the last four days burning through LD & RE as one does with a jolly good book. Though I had my reservations with LD-the wave of Steam-based criticism from the early days of release still lingering in my mind- I gave it a fair chance. And it was a hell of a ride. The battles were full of tense moments, the revelations were appropriately shocking and the music to accompany it all could not have been more evocative. My three most memorable points, I think, were... 1) The final flight of the Sunrider. a desperate sprint under fire from everyone ending with a heroic collision course, it truly felt like the end of Shields' tragic journey.
2) The Liberation Day Massacre; I had entirely forgotten that this was going to happen. I actually found myself wholly anticipating the first gunshot right before it went off...but not from who was holding the gun. At the time I wondered if Lynn had somehow swapped places with Chigara a la SA, but 'twas not to be. Though the truth was far more intruiging and horrifying!
3) The identity of the Wanderer. This made me burst out laughing, though it also pleased me to know a tiny bit more about her, and to see her having a greater role in the story. RE, meanwhile, was a lovely (and much appreciated!) little side-tale of which I wish to spoil nowt, lest I cover the entire post in spoiler tags. Ultimately however, Asaga is best girl. That Claude ending, though. Marrrrrvelous.
A little disappointed there was no harem ending, unfortunately. And no love for Cosette either? For shame. All in all, an excellent tale well told. My largest thanks to the chaps at LiS for making the Sunrider series, and although I have doubts about obtaining Starnova-I dunno, idols have never really interested me-I thoroughly look forward to the next installment(s?) of the Sunrider saga. Ta! [MAJOR SPOILERS for LD in case anyone hasn't read it] While I do have to give the story credit where it's due and also how the story was improved somewhat after version 1.0. I already stated this in a thread I created but it's bringing up the second most memorable scene for you. I am still skeptic on whether or not it was Chigara or Lynn, while the extended cut did say Chigara on it along with the dialogue captions during the massacre, we also have to remember that during Sunrider Academy a very similar situation happened where the same two characters switched and they also had mixed up dialogue captions/tags, this also including that they were able to share memories and while knowing how the Mindstream was structured, something like this could have been possible. Among this, another reason why I am skeptical too is because Chigara was also stated to have not lived at Diode for long and also not holding any sort of noteworthy mastery of the technology there, this then leads me to not believe that she was the one fighting Alice in the mindstream since she wouldn't have been capable of fighting Alice within it due to it being Diodian Tech along with the fact that she had less experience with it, it's kind of a home-field sort of thing. I feel as if her character would also have no purpose to really do anything much more than fight Alice after, everything had been established at that point for her character to be finished while we were still scratching the surface into Lynn's Character. Plus the idea of Chigara and Lynn switching before the celebration would also add depth to Chigara's Character because it reflects the good side of her mindset along with it's flaws, being able to make what she would think is the right decision along with considering all circumstances of happening to her, but also not thinking of the one thing that was out of her control, which in the words of Sun-Tzu's Guide to victory, that would have been heaven. Heaven as the idea of the environment and or details of what was out of your control, she herself could not have controlled what Lynn would have done and it would just say so much more about Chigara's Character if she improved upon this rather than just dying and getting a personality switch for no reason at all after winning a fight in which she shouldn't have won.
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Post by vincent on Sept 8, 2017 4:18:53 GMT -8
Unknown, same for pretty much every other cast member. I was hoping when the LD artbook came out this would be clarified in it but sadly it was not. I actually did the math back in the days of the old forum: -If Kayto and Ava only meet again 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 46 and 47, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian (Terran) years old, they are 36 and 37, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 39 and 41, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian years old, they are 29 and 31, respectively. That is, however, assuming that Ceran seconds last as long as Terran seconds, which is not true according to Samu-kun, making the entire exercise pointless. However, if both indeed last for the same ammount of time, then Kayto noting that 8 years have passed between the last time he saw Ava on Cera and meeting her aboard the Sunrider and the narrator saying that 12 years have passed would be both true, for 8 Ceran years are roughly 12 Terran years (12,68391679350583 years, to be exact). EDIT: Oh, and the information on the Ceran calendar and measures of time is taken from Sunrider Academy. I usually go by Academy time since it was generally the most consistent for Cera and or Cera City. 10 hours = 1 day 10 days = 1 week 5 weeks = 1 month 10 months = 1 year. This then means that their days are 2.4 times shorter than ours, making their weeks 100 hours while hours are 168 hours, their months are 500 hours while our months are 744 hours if we use the 31st as our general month length. Their years are 5,000 hours while our years are 8,760. Academy showed their schools operate similar to the American school system. In which that would then mean it would take twelve years to graduate primary school. Which takes them 60,000 hours. This then leaves the room of six years before someone attends a primary school. which would be 30,000 hours. Making them 90,000 hours of age in their time. Assuming Ava and Kayto go by their native time scale, they would use Cerean Time. Which means 12 years would be another 60,000 hours. Making them 150,000 hours of age. Making them respectively 30 and 31 Cerean years old.
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Post by vincent on Sept 8, 2017 3:44:06 GMT -8
Before I start, I apologize if this comes off as rambling, this idea has been on my mind and it would answer a lot of questions to me, I apologize if I get some info wrong but I will try my best. I shall start with the theory and then move onto my concerns. I played through the Sunrider series and there is something I have began to notice, two very interesting things. The Academy Dimension holds several parallels to the Canon Dimension and there is a distinct five man band within the Sunrider crew. Let's now establish the five man band roughly before we get onto the theory, Sola is an untold potential of the crew, Kayto is the leader, Ava is a leader with contrasting beliefs, Chigara revises and applies her knowledge to the team, and Asaga endures a glorified manifestation of the crew morale. This then makes the fair five man band of what were the most prominent characters in Sunrider Kayto = The Leader Ava = The Lancer Chigara = The Mind Asaga = The Strength Sola = The Heart Rule of thumb for theory: "Anything that happens in Academy is a less dramatized way and or metaphorical way of the outcome that will occur in the canon lore." If you look into the Ava arc, you notice she is trying to uphold a name and pride for herself and her colleagues within the building while in the canon dimension she wishes to uphold a name for herself and her squadron within the Sunrider, this seems very similar in a way. Asaga's Arc in Academy showed a side of formality and preplanned weddings almost as if it was a different age when things were different, she is depicted as running from this type of life and wishing to pursue her own. In the canon lore for Sunrider she is depicted as a descendant of the Ryuvian bloodline and or a bloodline of royalty. She runs from this in the sense of wanting to live her own life and in this sense instead of just the life of formality and royalty, it is also the Sharr of Ryuvia. Now the main reason this idea came to place was because the Sola Arc, while her character may not hold as many comparisons. Her arc shows the link of how Claude was able to tamper with the other dimension a little in a way with the cameo she made. So this then does mean in some sort of way the two dimensions are closely connected due to how many similar aspects exist. The place where this then begins to come in is that this then says a lot of how the future of the canon lore could be interpreted, while this is not completely set in stone, it seems like a rough tell of what can and will happen. This then would mean by these similarities that there will be a change in nature of Ava towards Kayto which in turn potentially makes the group a closer bond, Asaga ends up coming to terms with who she wants to be and prevails as being herself, Sola finds closure whilst going through her tribulation and stays a formidable part of the crew. With the majority of the characters described with the Academy to Canon parallels we then reach the final parallel between two characters, Chigara and Lynn. The Academy Arc goes as such, Chigara meets Kayto and they fall in love, Lynn comes along and conflict starts between her and Chigara, Kayto becomes suspicious and worried of the life that Chigara has, Lynn exposes Chigara is a clone, Chigara and Lynn then swap places because Chigara feels as if the heat is becoming too much for her so she lets Lynn take her place and then begins to pretend to be Lynn, Lynn then doesn't find out that Chigara's Life isn't all it was really cut out to be and they switch back. The way Liberation Day works at face value with Chigara and Lynn is this. Chigara and Kayto fall in love and then Lynn comes into the picture with a hostile mindset and what would appear to be a motive to wreak havoc like the other prototypes, this then begins to start a conflict as she then exposes Chigara could be a clone just like Lynn, the crew then becomes suspicious as some feel she will betray the crew, Claude then proves the fact that Chigara was a clone after her death, but she knew of the information the second she did the diagnostics on Chigara, Chigara then goes to the Liberation Day Ceremony with Kayto, Chigara then meets her fate and the Sunrider crew regroup, Claude lets out the information of Chigara being a clone all along around the time Chigara is in the Mindstream and overthrows Alice. A couple issues come within this chain of events. Chigara went to the Mindstream before and it took longer than it took when it came to the second time which was during her final moments, if it can be presumed that you have to use your brain to enter the Mindstream, it can be ruled out that she could have entered by the way the events show within Liberation Day since she would have bled out by that time, which then means she would have had to go to the Mindstream presumably before she died and or during that scene, which was a smaller time frame than the first time she entered the Mindstream. Another thing is, she is often depicted as having to leave Diode at a young age due to the experiment of the Paradox Core leading to the end of Diode and the race that lived on it presumably, Chigara never had went back there in that time and was never depicted as someone stellar with technology from Diode, especially with less experience under her belt and only being shown going to the Mindstream twice, she could have never overthrown Alice during the battle for the throne, Alice had near full control and could manipulate others which then showed experience with Diode's Tech along with the upper hand for the throne of the Mindstream, Which at the end of it all, shows that she had no chance of actually winning the fight against alice, especially with how she acted after taking over the throne. This then leads me to the conclusion that who fought Alice wasn't Chigara, but was Lynn, she would have had several reasons to do so, such as the fact that she already had bad blood between the two factions from the suspicions, also with the fact that she is an introverted person as seen throughout the series and probably would not want to go to such an event knowing that there would be major leaders of the two factions along with several people. This also follows the idea of the parallels between The Academy Dimension and The Canon Dimension. The chain of events stay similar for the most part but change at one certain point, when Chigara gets investigated by Claude. Claude's Personality leads her to the conclusion that she wouldn't let somebody get in her way of Kayto, even going as far as boasting how she could do so infront of the crew's face. This leads me to believe Claude told Chigara of the fact that she was a clone but forced her to keep quiet. So instead of Chigara going to the event, Chigara swaps places with Lynn and plays Lynn for a bit so Alice possesses Lynn. Lynn dies but due to the fact that she is shown to have more knowledge of the Mindstream than Chigara and working with Diode's Tech longer, she wouldn't have as much trouble making it to the Mindstream, this then changes the fight from Chigara and Alice to Lynn and Alice, the parallel theory enforces this more because when Chigara and Lynn swapped roles in Academy Dimension, their names were even changed to show the lack of understanding of who is who, plus with all characters having very similar if not the same personalities from Academy, Lynn could have very well also had a desire for Chigara's Life along with her relationship. At the end of it all, Chigara thinks through a lot of her ideas as The Mind of the group and this seeming so simple and to the point just comes off as a little odd to me which made me think of these comparisons. Now, time to state the concerns I had and have. - If the Liberation Day ending is exactly what is presented itself as, then it feels like there is no real purpose to make further expansions of Chigara from this point forward, reworking her character back into the story in the place of the Mindstream does nothing further than makes her the same character that nobody liked, somebody who had too much involvement with the story and is only there to exist, upon that. If a reworking of her characterization came through, I feel as if people would just appreciate a new character more and it would be easier to characterize. She has no further motive to move onward from death as she would have done as much as she could have which for her character would seem satisfactory.
- Chigara's Characterization always comes off as the tragic character but as one that never really found closure to herself even presumably halfway throughout the story, everything she did always had a cost regardless of what it was and I think this also made her a boring and or annoying character to most, she did so much throughout the recent bits of lore yet she also never really grew of a character because each goal accomplished countered itself with a near equal force of consequence.
- The arc of Chigara in Liberation Day has shown one thing if nothing much more comes from it, that another arc like this should never be done again until the very end, it complicates the lore and takes factors away from the VN that a lot of readers appreciated having and it simply held little to no real meaning to the bigger picture of the lore. My suggestion would arguably be to keep the affection values and or take into consideration the choices the player makes, and at the end of the series (whenever that will be.) when completed with all of the stats linked together, the character with the highest affection value on the player's list will be the character to contain an extra CG at the very end reflecting of the protagonist's connection with that individual.
- Also, as an individual who enjoys Chigara's Character but still has a sense of humanity. Let's give a little love to the Icari Fanclub out there, hopefully more characterization along with Kryska?
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Post by vincent on Aug 31, 2017 1:00:57 GMT -8
I am not saying it is in a bad state, nor a good state. But I am just curious as to what the fans opinion of it and it's quality is right now. I want the discussions to stay civil, but I would just like a little more insight.
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Post by vincent on Aug 22, 2017 14:48:43 GMT -8
I was a hardcore Chigara fan until she screwed everything up and turned Yandere. Unfortunately, I then jumped ship to Sola. No more happy bakery ending 4 me... It was convoluted enough how she managed to get into the mindstream without what seemed like inconsistency in storytelling. My hopes are they can at least just leave her arc alone and just move on with the fact that her story has been on a downward spiral in actual success with the story, or at least they can acknowledge and fix her character for the actual flaws and not just put a new coat of paint on her and label her as a new person practically over nothing.
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Post by vincent on Aug 18, 2017 2:03:15 GMT -8
I can only really think of two that really apply to Chigara, one being a fanmade track for the AA series.
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Post by vincent on Aug 16, 2017 3:52:08 GMT -8
You joke Magpie, but any story developments that make it so that the Chigara relationship never actually happened would be welcomed by me. +1 And expand on her character much anymore. Attempts were made, and trying to change her to the degree fans are asking such as her becoming an antagonist or a full blown Yandere just doesn't make her who her character really was anymore and it leaves the people who like d her original characterization out in the dust.
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Post by vincent on Aug 16, 2017 3:33:42 GMT -8
I worry that Chigara being characterized as a yandere is just going to end up being another attempt to force her down peoples throats. Like, "Hmm, you didn't like the forced romance? Well now she is a villain and she'll be the best villain ever!" Going from mary sue to villain sue when I'd prefer her just getting less focus over all. There is also the fact that the problem with Chigara is not just that some people thought she was forced on them but that some people who liked her original characterization basically had to suffer her character death because Chigara isn't really there anymore. The Chigara restoration path better be pretty good, and it better be possible without romancing her. I just think they need to stop trying to make her work. They tried to make her work and they failed. Some things may have been by her characterization, some things may have been by how the devs handled it. But she is dead and for the most part her relevance to the story as we know it is dead, this is honestly fine by me. I'd rather have a character die that could have worked but fell short rather than them painfully trying to fix a character by doing the same thing that made them unlikable, but just lathering them in a new coat of paint. I don't think it will win any of the fans over really and it will become a redundant mess, and like you said. People that liked her characterization are just kind of left in the middle of nowhere, and me myself being one of those very very few people who liked her characterization would rather just let her and her arc rest, she did what she had to do and she ended up dying in a very convoluted way, she died knowing she tried her best for the crew and she really has no real purpose to have a personality change, especially when she pretty much overthrew Alice from what it seemed like at the end of Liberation Day. Some characters are better left to just rest and hold their integrity for what they did rather than trying to fix them. Edit: Looking back over this, I think there is one big thing that really nobody has mentioned. If people are unhappy with how one single character's personality worked in the long run, instead of pestering the developers for them to rework the character and try to force her back into the story, why not just ask for a whole new character or just more characters? It would add so much potential and it wouldn't be sacrificing the integrity of a character at the expense of a possibly worse one or one that wouldn't be like how the devs originally planned her.
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Post by vincent on Aug 16, 2017 3:19:34 GMT -8
Honestly, once Sunrider goes back into the spotlight. I don't want anymore real romance arcs as of now at least until the community or devs can come to an agreement on how to do them correctly. We saw how the Chigara arc ended, people were unhappy from both sides, people who liked and didn't like Chigara, then we have the Academy side of things where the arc becomes so much of the BnB of the story that it starts to take away any other elements of story, now I know Academy wasn't too story based either other than the arcs, but I feel something like that would contest the actual story for Sunrider and the installments of the series either, then there are a plethora of questions that have to be asked. - When do the arcs become too possessive of the story and then the story at hand starts to come to a halt? As much as we all love Sunrider and maybe some of us are falling off ship, we want the story to say good and end good, not lose it's spark from a slowing plot
- What impacts do these arcs have on the story at hand? Will they be purely there for optional purposes? Will they be mandatory? Because if they are mandatory or even optional, they become this trouble of asking. Letting the player choose which character arc they'd like would just seem like a hassle because let's face it. The Sunrider crew acting like an absolute dream team with no faults or disputes between the crew members seems impossible going forward, and letting you pick any character arc and one of these disputes happens causes an issue of, if said character has a dispute with another or this character is going to have a death flag raised on them sometime in the story like Chigara, but they are an optional choice of many that will mean the writer will have to write different reactions for the protag so his reaction doesn't feel off and or crew members will have to have stem points of different dialogue at different disputes in case you picked the character that is involved in the dispute or not. I love choices and all, but there's a point where the tree grows too many branches and then the story wouldn't be capable of releasing in reasonable intervals.
These are a couple questions I can think of that make the idea of future romance arcs in the canon story a bad idea, do I think they should be fully removed? No, but I do think that they should be pushed back to once the canonical plot is over and it should pull an Academy where by what Arc you picked (In this case who you sided or were the closest to) That highest number value would then trigger that said character ending.
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Post by vincent on Jul 10, 2016 23:56:38 GMT -8
I don't know personally, I just wish there was a complete rewrite. I know at this point I sound like I am just whining but. My favorite character was Chigara and Jesus Christ she really just got brigaded with what people consider "Character Development" Which personally just felt like constant bashing of a character personality simply because it's something that is "Unrealistic for the setting" I hate talking to friends about it because they think the rant I have is stupid, it's just I feel like they tried to Game of Thrones her just so people would feel bad. When looking at the forums, people actually hate her. Which being one of the only people who did like her it now feels like her character purpose will just be merely nothing, she will be a big enemy to the Sunrider or they will justify her. No matter which way you do it, none of it seems good. I mean Liberation Day Returns just seemed like the community threw a fit so they got a better end to their bedtime story when no matter what, I still was left with a sense of disappointment and sadness. It's almost like cutting a rope, you better be damn sure you wanted to cut that rope because it will be hard to get it back the same exact way it was. And frankly it disappoints me, but I never created Sunrider so I will just watch from the sidelines and see if anything improves. As a fan, I doubt they will improve things for Chigara if I whine, so I might consider not purchasing the next Sunrider VN
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Post by vincent on Jul 10, 2016 2:55:58 GMT -8
I mean already know about Kayto suffering from PTSD and everything but it has made me think. A lot of characters in Sunrider do act really strong when it comes to their personality type to the point where it could be considered a mental disorder of some type. And we never get to really see the story from the other characters POV's.
Theorize Away!
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