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Post by lennonshale on Apr 2, 2017 8:20:03 GMT -8
Ava: 1010 Asaga: 1025 (+1) Chigara: 838 (+2) Cosette: 901 (-5) Icari: 1364 Claude: 266 Kryska: 939 Sola: 1036
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 30, 2017 9:22:00 GMT -8
Ava: 1010 Asaga: 1026 (+1) Chigara: 835 (+2) Cosette: 909 (-5) Icari: 1362 Claude: 300 Kryska: 939 Sola: 1032
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 29, 2017 8:33:08 GMT -8
Ava: 1009 Asaga: 1025 Chigara: 833 (+3) Cosette: 917 (-5) Icari: 1359 Claude: 310 Kryska: 941 Sola: 1031
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 28, 2017 11:32:45 GMT -8
The story is good, but video games aren't books. Yeah, but remember it's a visual novel. Sure it's a video game which is why there is gameplay, but just one look at the genre explains what it's meant to be: a novel with visuals. So I don't understand why people are getting riled up over the fact its got a static ending or because it's too much like a book when the genre shows that an interactive novel is exactly what the games trying to be. I can see why people want choices, but if LiS want the story to go a certain way, it's up to them.
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 28, 2017 11:13:15 GMT -8
Ava: 1007 Asaga: 1023 (+3) Chigara: 831 Cosette: 924 (-5) Icari: 1368 Claude: 310 Kryska: 946 Sola: 1026
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 27, 2017 8:20:51 GMT -8
Ava: 1006 (-5) Asaga: 1020 (+3) Chigara: 830 Cosette: 929 Icari: 1368 Claude: 329 Kryska: 946 Sola: 1023
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 26, 2017 11:26:09 GMT -8
Ava: 1009 (-5) Asaga: 1017 (+3) Chigara: 830 Cosette: 929 Icari: 1366 Claude: 341 Kryska: 946 Sola: 1023
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 24, 2017 17:52:04 GMT -8
Ava: 1014 Asaga: 1014 (+3) Chigara: 830 Cosette: 929 (-5) Icari: 1353 Claude: 368 Kryska: 946 Sola: 1023
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 24, 2017 8:27:13 GMT -8
There isn't a confirmed explanation just yet due to the nature of 2.00/3.00 still being a cliffhanger in direction however I personally feel as though:
Rather than evil I would say that Chigara had an influence in the background affecting how she was behaving, sort of like how when in real life we usually have a 'internal voice of logic' so to speak. While she would have felt she was in complete control and that this logic was her own, the reality was that it was purely artificial and that this influence was giving her a push every now and again in pursuit of bettering their own knowledge and understandings of the galaxy - in the case of Chigara this was the observation of Asaga (as the current Ryuvian Princess).
As the Alpha says in the 2.00 content Kayto entering the picture was pure coincidence and that their growing interest in him would have been on the back of his achievements as captain of the Sunrider, while during the mind stream segment the prototypes claim 'we allowed you free reign in your interactions with him' the reality was that she was never truly free as the conditions for her programming changed were to explore how he could be manipulated. So while Chigara was technically the one becoming closer with the captain it is highly likely that the collective voice of the prototypes were whispering her encouragements that would put her in situations where she could get to learn more about him, for example suggesting the moments for her tea breaks with the captain.
When Chigara connected with the mind stream this would have been the moment of realisation for her, that there was a bigger force at play to her existence and that she goes into denial in order to protect her memories. As a result she finds that she is able to resist the mind stream and ignore her orders to return. Connecting to the mind stream though had one major drawback in which she created a backdoor that Lynn is able to exploit after the defeat of the Nightmare Ascendant leading to the Liberation Day massacre.
By the end of the Liberation Day massacre, Kayto had helped Chigara successfully repel Alice from her body/vessel by strengthening her will power to resist Alice just like Chigara had achieved previously for the Alpha. Tragically though she is shot in the aftermath and like Alice (who has also now lost both her vessels) is forced to return to the mind stream. With two strong wills now residing in the mind stream (Alice and the now fully developed Chigara) the Alpha can no longer or less successfully influence the mind stream herself leaving it corrupted by the conflicting ideology of Chigara (who has become obsessive over the captain) and Alice (wanting to see the destruction of humanity) - the result is a hive mind lets call it a **Ali-gara** that is completely psychotic and unstable. This leads to the prototype lines becoming more disorganised and without one strong voice of leadership they are now acting more independently. This will more than likely change depending on which personality comes through stronger for Chigara/Alice (perhaps high/low affection?) but ultimately will lead to the creation of a new will that becomes the new Chigara completing her transformation to more of an antagonist role (I wouldn't be surprised if that as a representative of this we see Lynn demonstrate split behaviour one moment using Chigara mannerisms to get Kayto's attention and then the next trying to kill him).
I guess for now we will just have to wait and see if a new Sunrider game goes into development so that we can learn what Chigara's future role will be (and as a result hopefully more background information on the Diode cloning program).
Although Return suggesting that the Liberty gets a new pilot strengthens the case that Chigara will no longer be a main girl.
Well that's a shame, because I'm one of the few that actually really liked Chigara and didn't mind that we didn't get a choice as to who the captain falls in love with. Would've been nice to have saw them have their happily ever after but I guess that would've meant the end of the series ;-;. Hopefully she gets a happy ending, whether she's with Kayto or not. Anyways, thanks for the insight, I feel like I understand the ending a bit better!
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 23, 2017 15:04:45 GMT -8
The ending left me a bit confused, and after replaying a buncha times now I really can't pin point whether Chigara was meant to be evil the whole time. Because it seems like she was taken control by Alice, but then she acts all demonic when she's calling for the captain CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN CAPTAIN So was she *really* unaware of the fact that she was a prototype or was she just acting that way? There's just so many times the characters contradict each other and it leaves me all confused. (or is it supposed to be that way?) If I can sum up what I think is going on it'd be this: - Chigara didn't know she was a prototype - She entered the mind stream - This allowed Alice to control her after death - She controlled her & caused the massacre (against Chigara's will) - Chigara dies - Alice and Chigara battle for control - Chigara won't come out the same as before (if we ever see her alive again somehow) and rather she's corrupted/hardened If any of that's wrong please correct me because honestly I'm very confused about it all! Dx
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 23, 2017 9:03:11 GMT -8
Ava: 1014 Asaga: 1014 (+3) Chigara: 830 Cosette: 934 Icari: 1354 (-5) Claude: 374 Kryska: 946 Sola: 1023
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 23, 2017 8:35:33 GMT -8
That Kayto uses a PACT Elite (PACT being an antagonist force in the Sunrider series) on the arcade's ryder simulator, could this be a sign of things to come...? Maybe Kayto was the bad guy all along! ;0
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 23, 2017 5:12:29 GMT -8
Probably my favourite one that I can remember is when Maray gives Kayto an alarm clock from "that game he's always playing". And it wakes him up with the quote from Admiral Grey "Sit down boy, and let me show you War."I have to admit I would be pretty terrified to unexpectedly wake up to that too! Yeah I agree it would be a pretty intimidating thing to wake up to!
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Post by lennonshale on Mar 22, 2017 15:09:28 GMT -8
When it comes to games I love references or nods to other games or movies etc. I noticed that Sunrider(especially academy) have quite a few of them. When I was introduced to the series I started with academy, so naturally I didn't understand any of the references to the main games. I finished all routes twice through before moving on to the main games and then took a break from the series and I replayed Liberation Day a few months later and when I spotted the Death Star reference I started to wonder about any other references, then I remembered some of the stuff in Academy that now I recognise as a reference (such as Chigara beginning to say one of her MoA battle lines but stopping herself). I tried to play through academy but since it tends to take quite a bit of time to finish even one route I really couldn't be arsed to look for them. So I was wondering if anyone could tell me any references throughout the games (Doesn't have to be a reference about Sunrider, could be a nod to another game or movie) or references that other games made about Sunrider. I'm just curious as to the references the game may have that I missed. Also, feel free to mention some of the parallels that you know of within Academy, such as Sola not belonging in the Academy timeline and her travelling forwards in time in Lib. Thanks!
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