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Post by limith on Jun 2, 2017 17:19:28 GMT -8
Alright well, given there isn't a feedback thread for 4 yet:
I'm skipping through the beginning of the common route right now and a thought that came to mind is that there is a section in the common route (both in the center battle chapter and the first chapter) where the issues each girl faces is hinted at. However in the Nemu specific route we didn't really see any resolution or events from those issues (clearly since they weren't done yet). I'm wondering if the final version will at least tie some resolutions or events for the issues from other routes or if the routes will be completely separate. Making them separate avoids repeating sections (which can be annoying). Anyway I haven't actually gotten to the new route yet, still in common, so will hold off feedback on this until I get there.
Other thoughts: when you view the promo beach dvds you basically had to view all of them. This is different from sunrider where on their beach section you only met with a few people out of the many. I think the view a few of them is actually better since it gives you something new to view on starting again. It's also more realistic since I thought the shoots were supposed to happen in parallel? Although being able to view all of them is a convenience thing that prevents requiring a save. Maybe make an autosave for players.
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Edit: I read the beach scene post selecting a center and the section seems better. I'm not sure if something has changed or maybe it's just me. That said, I still think if Mariya is picked the producer should give a different pep talk on the beach the next day (during day) before announcing the winner is Mariya. Usually the pep talk is for if the player picked another girl as center (telling Mariya to always look after her youngers). However since she will be the center shouldn't the pep talk be for the other girls before the announcement?
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Post by admiralcheese on Jun 2, 2017 19:06:58 GMT -8
That Grisaia reference in the Mariya route.
Kek
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Post by limith on Jun 2, 2017 20:49:10 GMT -8
Nemjen where is chapter 4 feedback thread? xD (I know you are sleeping in UK) Okay here's my feedback for chapter 4 proper: Retirement scene: In general I think the start of this route went well with not jumping immediately to success like Nemu's route did, I wonder if Nemu's route got changes House scene: I like the small change in script here remarking on challenges. The producer talks about Mariya's smoking and drinking as issues for the tabloid and a major concern. I can't recall if this was mentioned in Nemu's route (it would still be relevant over there) or if this is only the case since she's the center. Nattan scene: Interesting scene overall, I liked the way you used a 'common' route scene but made it play out differently and how many other scenes after had similar differences. Really makes for a great reading experience. I like the character's portrayal in the route, everyone was very much in character ___ I would like to know why rival-producer's characterization is so different in this route compared to Nemu's. In Nemu's he turned out to 'not be that evil' but in this route it he is very much the antagonist. It doesn't really fit consistently. ___ Overall I really liked her route except for one thing, which was even mentioned in the post-game section. I feel like Shiro's turnaround in the end didn't make sense. I didn't get the impression that Shiro was forced into acting like what she was based on the flashback segment. Especially not with the way she talked with others in private. Especially given how much the idols of Qwaser were abused from Mariya's background after Shiro took over. I honestly thought it would be resolved via something like one of the Qwaser (non Shiro) girls quitting and voting Starnova to protest the way they were treated. Or you could have the ex-Qwaser center show up and cast the winning vote (or even a tying vote). I think there were two reasons for tfeeling Shiro's behavior was illogical. First in the last 1-1 private talk between Shiro and Mariya prior to the performance she didn't show hesitation about her behavior or regrets, rather making her seem to really believe what she said. Unlike the previous 1-1 secret talks. Given the talk was in private you can hint some more about it being an act. The second part is the "final inspection" scene. The way it is worded implied to me that their producer didn't do anything and Shiro pretended to come out savaged, rather than actually implying he had something worse in mind. I think if these two parts are slightly revised then Shiro's about face in the end would make more sense. Alternatively if the goal is to make her actions not that clear (but still not seem to come out of left field) I think just adding more uncertainty to the final private talk between Shiro and Mariya would work, instead of having Shiro be so gung-ho about Golden Calf's policies. ____ I liked the graduation scene merged with the credits.  Mika and Aki's reaction in the post section was great too. Aki seems to have matured afterwards as well. ____ Bug: Artist Integration Coder name in the credits is too long and is cut off on screen ____ I like how you explained Nemu coming to terms with not being the center in the route, which helps explain why the crisis doesn't occur. Although the transfer to Starnova of another girl not happening seems odd. Maybe it was something Nemu's mother cut a deal with Golden Calf to help Starnova in secret and I missed the implication? I was under the impression from Nemu's route that the scenes of her mother with the golden calf producer was all a hallucination.
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Post by Nemjen on Jun 3, 2017 21:08:20 GMT -8
[ ^ - Above lies those true to Mariya and were so eager that they beat me making the feedback thread.  ]Welcome one and all to the attraction of the month, Mariya's chapter for Starnova!!!  Let us know those thoughts and feelings towards the chapter via this thread so we know where you all stand.
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Post by admiralcheese on Jun 4, 2017 3:17:08 GMT -8
Honestly the Mariya route gave me everything I wanted out of a Mariya route.
Any gripes I might have with it are minor and not really worth dwelling on.
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Post by limith on Jun 4, 2017 14:23:56 GMT -8
Honestly the Mariya route gave me everything I wanted out of a Mariya route. Any gripes I might have with it are minor and not really worth dwelling on. I agree with this statement very much. Despite my very long feedback post I really enjoyed the route as a whole. Everyone at LiS should be proud of the hard work they have done for over a year. |
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Post by Nemjen on Jun 5, 2017 12:34:20 GMT -8
- The producer talks about Mariya's smoking and drinking as issues for the tabloid and a major concern. I can't recall if this was mentioned in Nemu's route (it would still be relevant over there) or if this is only the case since she's the center. - I would like to know why rival-producer's characterization is so different in this route compared to Nemu's. In Nemu's he turned out to 'not be that evil' but in this route it he is very much the antagonist. It doesn't really fit consistently. - Artist Integration Coder name in the credits is too long and is cut off on screen - I like how you explained Nemu coming to terms with not being the center in the route, which helps explain why the crisis doesn't occur. Although the transfer to Starnova of another girl not happening seems odd. Maybe it was something Nemu's mother cut a deal with Golden Calf to help Starnova in secret and I missed the implication? I was under the impression from Nemu's route that the scenes of her mother with the golden calf producer was all a hallucination. (1) - As the center she will be getting a lot more attention as the position is regarded as a major factor of 'the image' of any idol group, while I'm sure the same conversation would have occurred on the Nemu timeline at some point it is not as important for that period in time. (2) - Remember what makes Kamijou an antagonist is his attitude to the industry, he is a man driven by a desire for success no matter the ethics. I wouldn't say he is 'not be that evil' but he is a bit more tame because the route to a certain degree plays to his benefit. Something to consider with Mariya's route is that Kamijou has a direct history with Mariya making it more of a personal drive (as idols in his eyes are property to be owned) in comparison to Nemu's route where Starnova is seen as an opportunity to get rid of Kaori (due to the scandal of her father she would continue to attract bad press) while also making some money back by transferring the contract. When Kaori's ankle broke while the contract was not a success he had achieved the initial objective of getting rid of Kaori and inflicting financial hardship on Starnova (although Nemu takes this debt on by the end of the route) by guaranteeing they cover all further treatment of Kaori as a bonus (which I am taking a guess here based on my experience with contracts that her original contract with Golden Calf may have included clauses that meant Kamijou would have also been hit with bills as her participation with Starnova was his decision). I'd say based on the routes so far we are seeing many sides to his personality which will continue to develop as more content becomes available. (3) - Poor Pas, she is trying to escape her credits entry. I will get this sorted - thanks for the flag. (4) - Yes it was a hallucination. Remember it would have been Kaori's father's scandal which prompted that transfer (as a combination no doubt from Kamijou's pressure and Kaori's request for it to be Starnova), while events may take place in a specific route it doesn't mean that it will happen in all other routes - based on Mariya's route this would mean that the scandal either never came to light or never happened for this timeline. I agree with this statement very much. Despite my very long feedback post I really enjoyed the route as a whole. Everyone at LiS should be proud of the hard work they have done for over a year. Can we (the team) have an real life Onsen episode as a reward?  |
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Post by admiralcheese on Jun 5, 2017 18:21:00 GMT -8
Only if you end up in a fight to the death over who gets the best font in the credits.
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Post by Tyrion on Jun 19, 2017 14:44:53 GMT -8
Well, I am impressed. I decided to pitch in five bucks to see if the game was worth it and it was. The story was long and engaging and made taught me about certain issues I didn't know much about before in a very over the top, anime fashion.
I could go without seeing Aki nude in certain scenes, but that's what steam is for.
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Post by kanabestgirl on Aug 6, 2017 14:47:41 GMT -8
I became a Patron a few days ago, and I haven't read Nemu's route yet. I really love the story, and I congratulate LiS for doing a great job with another VN. However, while this beta route was good, it did have some problems. I'm going to reread mariya's route a second time, so I'll post a second post a few days later, but this my main issue right now. Why did Kana forgive Shiro so readily? If she never really held any grudges against Shiro in the first place, why did she take so long to even talk to her? I don’t see how Shiro could have truly became center of Quasar to “protect” the girls when 1) Kana was able to protect the girls so much better and 2) things start going down the shitter once (and even a bit before) Shiro takes over as center. This makes Kana’s entrance almost a deus ex machina. Why did Kana not appear before the finale of the idol Grand Prix? I think there are a few places where she could have appeared earlier. For example, when Starnova announced their challenge to Quasars and made their philosophical differences clear, Kana could have appeared to Mariya in private and gave her encouragement, since she had a similar philosophy while she was the center of Quasar. Or maybe even arrange a private meeting with Shiro after Kamijou announced her retirement at the Idol Grand Prix. idk, maybe writing in a deus ex machina is OK, but this freak timing and Shiro's subsequent actions just seem weird. However, I'm really really glad that Kana made an appearance in the main story. I only wished that she had more screen time and dialogue with Mariya, but since they weren’t particularly close, I don’t see how you could change that. In Kana’s first lines of the game, she says, “I wish I had never become an idol!” I’m sensing a disconnect between this line and her personality displayed throughout the rest of this route. Instead of being anguishly distressed, she seemed depressed and willing to roll over like a dead puppy. // With that being said, I can't wait to have this game on Steam! (even though it looks like at the current pace, I shouldn't expect the release date to be earlier than May 2018  ) Oh, and just as a request, can you make it so that Sasami-chan isn't actually a mind-controllable android set out to enslave or destroy mankind? You really broke my heart when you did that with Chigara ...Buuuuut speaking of androids, maybe you can do something extra with Stella? One more comment before I decide to turn in for the night. I'm glad that my last decision really impacted the outcome of the game. It made me feel like the weight of the world rested on my pivotal position. However, the first and only other decision didn't really change anything. I would be very happy if you allowed the reader to choose more options that affects the game in the long run. They don't have to be major, but for example: accepting a cigarette from Mariya in ch.1 would make her call you a hypocrite in later chapters when you tell her to stop smoking. But basically, more options, and therefore more dialogue would make me very happy. |
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Mika and Aki's reaction in the post section was great too. Aki seems to have matured afterwards as well.
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