Le_Fay
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 1, 2017 13:37:01 GMT -8
i decided not to spare cosette and this happens i.imgur.com/8sYLh9g.png in addition to not saving the diplomats now i feel like the worlds shittest human being  |
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Post by bigfoot on Aug 1, 2017 15:16:05 GMT -8
You are an awful person, just to make you feel better  |
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Post by Nemjen on Aug 1, 2017 21:26:42 GMT -8
Terrible... We'll have to keep an eye on you to ensure you do not bring any further despair to the timeline.  |
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Le_Fay
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 2, 2017 2:10:53 GMT -8
While we're on the subject of Cosette, how old is she actually?
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Post by warmach1ne32 on Aug 2, 2017 2:29:04 GMT -8
Playing Devil's advocate, Cosette is an enemy combatant who has killed and command a Pirate army. With her gone there will be a power vacuum on who would command the Pirates now so they will be too busy fighting each other rather than fighting you.
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Post by Nemjen on Aug 2, 2017 2:54:24 GMT -8
While we're on the subject of Cosette, how old is she actually? Unknown, same for pretty much every other cast member. I was hoping when the LD artbook came out this would be clarified in it but sadly it was not. |
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 2, 2017 6:45:02 GMT -8
Playing Devil's advocate, Cosette is an enemy combatant who has killed and command a Pirate army. With her gone there will be a power vacuum on who would command the Pirates now so they will be too busy fighting each other rather than fighting you. true but things arent always black and white. i mean yea shes killed countless people, but then again the alliance planed to nuke not one but two planets (ongess, cera). and unlike admiral grey cosette isnt a backstabber (not entirely). P.S totally playing the cosette route first next game edit: i just realized the dialogue was missing in that screenshot. her last words were "mama" |
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Post by longtimelurker on Aug 2, 2017 18:03:05 GMT -8
Playing Devil's advocate, Cosette is an enemy combatant who has killed and command a Pirate army. With her gone there will be a power vacuum on who would command the Pirates now so they will be too busy fighting each other rather than fighting you. true but things arent always black and white. i mean yea shes killed countless people, but then again the alliance planed to nuke not one but two planets (ongess, cera). and unlike admiral grey cosette isnt a backstabber (not entirely). P.S totally playing the cosette route first next game edit: i just realized the dialogue was missing in that screenshot. her last words were "mama" Her choice of last words is interesting considering she killed her own mother, maybe her vengeful ghost appeared to claim her for the afterlife lol. Well, she kinda off betrays you when she ditches you the first opportunity she has instead of trying to help you when everything is going to hell at the end of LD despite you trusting her. I imagine that the next game will be a bit harder if she is still alive in your timeline, cuz as the previous poster said if she is dead the pirates will probably be disorganized and fighting among themselves instead of coming after you under Cosette's banner... damn we really are screwed in the next game aren't we? Fighting against at least 4 different factions (Alliance, Pact, Prototypes and Crow) with no allies and practically no resources is insane. |
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Post by ChapterSerf on Aug 2, 2017 20:24:08 GMT -8
Unknown, same for pretty much every other cast member. I was hoping when the LD artbook came out this would be clarified in it but sadly it was not. Artbook? What artbook? While we're on the subject of Cosette, how old is she actually? I've pinned the entire cast in their 20s, with Chigara and Asaga in their early 20s, Sola in mid-early 20s, Icari and Kryska are in their mid 20s, and Claude, Kaito and Ava in thier mid-late 20s. I imagine Cosette is more or less of a similar age, just that she's stopped aging. And yes, Bigfoot has the right of it: you are a terrible Kaito Shields. Jeez. That picture makes me feel sorry for her... You can tell in her eyes that she knows she's dead and she's fucked up and it's over... Makes me glad I saved her and her mech. |
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 3, 2017 1:45:36 GMT -8
true but things arent always black and white. i mean yea shes killed countless people, but then again the alliance planed to nuke not one but two planets (ongess, cera). and unlike admiral grey cosette isnt a backstabber (not entirely). P.S totally playing the cosette route first next game edit: i just realized the dialogue was missing in that screenshot. her last words were "mama" Her choice of last words is interesting considering she killed her own mother, maybe her vengeful ghost appeared to claim her for the afterlife lol. Well, she kinda off betrays you when she ditches you the first opportunity she has instead of trying to help you when everything is going to hell at the end of LD despite you trusting her. I imagine that the next game will be a bit harder if she is still alive in your timeline, cuz as the previous poster said if she is dead the pirates will probably be disorganized and fighting among themselves instead of coming after you under Cosette's banner... damn we really are screwed in the next game aren't we? Fighting against at least 4 different factions (Alliance, Pact, Prototypes and Crow) with no allies and practically no resources is insane. Well thank god for crow cause with him around he'll probably become public enemy number 1 seeing as shields is "dead". also dont forget yandere chigara. She's coming for Shields |
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Post by Nemjen on Aug 3, 2017 8:59:22 GMT -8
One of the Patreon rewards when LD came out. |
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Post by ChapterSerf on Aug 5, 2017 22:39:25 GMT -8
One of the Patreon rewards when LD came out. Bummer. Woulda loved to have that. I think Cosette alive will probably be problematic in the short run but beneficial in the long run. At the same time, she could be beneficial right from the getgo. Either way, I thought it was a good idea I let her live. |
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Post by kanabestgirl on Aug 6, 2017 18:18:36 GMT -8
Funny. I'm the opposite. I kinda regret letting her live. She's a pretty f*cked up person no matter how you spin it. Besides, do you really need to worry about Cosette in addition to Crow and the Prototypes?
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 8, 2017 7:12:50 GMT -8
i mean prototypes want to stop crow, but alice sorta messed up alpha's plans cause she hates humans for killing arcadius.
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Post by pancakefury on Sept 2, 2017 4:55:01 GMT -8
i mean prototypes want to stop crow, but alice sorta messed up alpha's plans cause she hates humans for killing arcadius. Was Arcadius a prototype as well? |
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Post by admiralcheese on Sept 2, 2017 11:59:50 GMT -8
Honestly Cosette should get a little credit for the ending bit of LD. She helped out with the first bit. Then got the frak out of dodge when it became obvious Shields and Crew were up the creek without a paddle.
Besides. The team is definitely on the outs with the galactic big wigs now. They're going to need... unconventional help.
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Post by noobrage on Sept 2, 2017 20:06:21 GMT -8
While we're on the subject of Cosette, how old is she actually? Unknown, same for pretty much every other cast member. I was hoping when the LD artbook came out this would be clarified in it but sadly it was not. I actually did the math back in the days of the old forum: -If Kayto and Ava only meet again 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 46 and 47, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian (Terran) years old, they are 36 and 37, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 39 and 41, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian years old, they are 29 and 31, respectively. That is, however, assuming that Ceran seconds last as long as Terran seconds, which is not true according to Samu-kun, making the entire exercise pointless. However, if both indeed last for the same ammount of time, then Kayto noting that 8 years have passed between the last time he saw Ava on Cera and meeting her aboard the Sunrider and the narrator saying that 12 years have passed would be both true, for 8 Ceran years are roughly 12 Terran years (12,68391679350583 years, to be exact). EDIT: Oh, and the information on the Ceran calendar and measures of time is taken from Sunrider Academy. |
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Post by vincent on Sept 8, 2017 4:18:53 GMT -8
Unknown, same for pretty much every other cast member. I was hoping when the LD artbook came out this would be clarified in it but sadly it was not. I actually did the math back in the days of the old forum: -If Kayto and Ava only meet again 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 46 and 47, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian (Terran) years old, they are 36 and 37, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 39 and 41, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian years old, they are 29 and 31, respectively. That is, however, assuming that Ceran seconds last as long as Terran seconds, which is not true according to Samu-kun, making the entire exercise pointless. However, if both indeed last for the same ammount of time, then Kayto noting that 8 years have passed between the last time he saw Ava on Cera and meeting her aboard the Sunrider and the narrator saying that 12 years have passed would be both true, for 8 Ceran years are roughly 12 Terran years (12,68391679350583 years, to be exact). EDIT: Oh, and the information on the Ceran calendar and measures of time is taken from Sunrider Academy. I usually go by Academy time since it was generally the most consistent for Cera and or Cera City. 10 hours = 1 day 10 days = 1 week 5 weeks = 1 month 10 months = 1 year. This then means that their days are 2.4 times shorter than ours, making their weeks 100 hours while hours are 168 hours, their months are 500 hours while our months are 744 hours if we use the 31st as our general month length. Their years are 5,000 hours while our years are 8,760. Academy showed their schools operate similar to the American school system. In which that would then mean it would take twelve years to graduate primary school. Which takes them 60,000 hours. This then leaves the room of six years before someone attends a primary school. which would be 30,000 hours. Making them 90,000 hours of age in their time. Assuming Ava and Kayto go by their native time scale, they would use Cerean Time. Which means 12 years would be another 60,000 hours. Making them 150,000 hours of age. Making them respectively 30 and 31 Cerean years old. |
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Post by Somasam on Sept 9, 2017 22:40:38 GMT -8
I spared Cossette, and while I don't find her as waifu material at all, I'm glad I did so. She is a very interesting character, with a lot of depth to her and the people she represents.
I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get to actually talk with her in between missions in LibDay, but she was certainly a life saver in the final push. I don't really blame her for cut n' running, Kayto ordered everyone else to anyway.
I am actually hoping that Samu does put some effort into the branching story line here, and makes some major differences depending on if she's alive. Even if its just some side missions, or different starting units, I'd like to see a major player in the galactic scene having an influence.
My headcannon Kayto is a prince, with some moralist thrown in, often using moralistic principles to justify princely actions and vice versa. I had him spare Cosette and her ryder, the latter because it is a very useful tool, and the former because he honestly wants to try and help the people of Ongress; as well as also protect Cera from other super powers in the long run. One of the best ways to do this is not behead the pirate leadership, and instead establish more cordial relations with them. Either through one-sided negotiations with her while she was his prisoner, or by forming a semblance of mutual respect with her. I'm hoping that after spending some time on the sunrider, helping fight arm in arm with Kayto, and seeing him give his life for his people just like she did, Cosette will decide that Kayto is at the very least, an enemy of the enemy.
I'm also hoping that she will be our main man for the beginning of the game before we get that super-prototype from the Ryuvian moon. Illegal connections, pirate units, and another ryder to help fight the rest of the world.
Also to those using Academy time, don't forget that Samu said he latter regretted making each month 5 weeks long, as he felt it made the game feel a bit too long. So who knows if it will be retconed to 4 weeks a month. Best you could use is a 'galactic calendar' to compare ages, but probably the only widely used one would be Ryuvian based, which could be steeped in arbitrary units of measurement. That's also not counting if the New Empire, Solar Alliance, or PACT decided to make their own one after rising to power.
If we assume that Ceran military functions somewhat similarly to USA's, we could estimate that Kayto and Ava are in mid 20's. Old enough to be officers in charge of a ship; but remember that the Sunrider had an entirely fresh, green, and young crew trained explicitly for it, due to its huge paradigm shift in terms of military thinking. Asaga is probably young, either 19 or early 20's. Chigara is probably technically only a few years old, but aged to about Asaga's age, maybe a year less. Icari, Kryska, and Claude are probably also around mid twenties, but Claude being a bit older, or the oldest of the group, sounds pretty fitting to me. Cosette calls herself a woman, so probably at least 18. But who can really say.
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Post by noobrage on Sept 12, 2017 12:55:18 GMT -8
I actually did the math back in the days of the old forum: -If Kayto and Ava only meet again 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 46 and 47, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Ceran years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian (Terran) years old, they are 36 and 37, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Ceran years old, they are 39 and 41, respectively. -If they only meet again after 12 Solarian years after their highschool days and Cerans finish highschool when they are 18 Solarian years old, they are 29 and 31, respectively. That is, however, assuming that Ceran seconds last as long as Terran seconds, which is not true according to Samu-kun, making the entire exercise pointless. However, if both indeed last for the same ammount of time, then Kayto noting that 8 years have passed between the last time he saw Ava on Cera and meeting her aboard the Sunrider and the narrator saying that 12 years have passed would be both true, for 8 Ceran years are roughly 12 Terran years (12,68391679350583 years, to be exact). EDIT: Oh, and the information on the Ceran calendar and measures of time is taken from Sunrider Academy. I usually go by Academy time since it was generally the most consistent for Cera and or Cera City. 10 hours = 1 day 10 days = 1 week 5 weeks = 1 month 10 months = 1 year. This then means that their days are 2.4 times shorter than ours, making their weeks 100 hours while hours are 168 hours, their months are 500 hours while our months are 744 hours if we use the 31st as our general month length. Their years are 5,000 hours while our years are 8,760. Academy showed their schools operate similar to the American school system. In which that would then mean it would take twelve years to graduate primary school. Which takes them 60,000 hours. This then leaves the room of six years before someone attends a primary school. which would be 30,000 hours. Making them 90,000 hours of age in their time. Assuming Ava and Kayto go by their native time scale, they would use Cerean Time. Which means 12 years would be another 60,000 hours. Making them 150,000 hours of age. Making them respectively 30 and 31 Cerean years old. IIRC, each minute in Cera has 100 seconds and each hour has 100 minutes, making Ceran years, after considering the numbers you already mentioned, last for 50.000.000 seconds; roughly one and a half Terran years. |
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Post by NewGuy on Sept 13, 2017 8:07:17 GMT -8
i mean prototypes want to stop crow, but alice sorta messed up alpha's plans cause she hates humans for killing arcadius. Was Arcadius a prototype as well? No, he wasn't a prototype, he raised Alice. |
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Post by shanewallis on Oct 1, 2017 12:31:42 GMT -8
I knew the conditions to get her killed but never met them, as much as i dislike her for being a vicious cutthroat i'm not sure having Asaga kill her when defenceless would be good for her mental health at all. It's kind of sad seeing how Cosette reacts in her final moments now, even though she's not a kid it's hard not to see her as one.
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Post by Rellek on Oct 18, 2017 17:48:40 GMT -8
The Neutral Rim must be united to stave off all these big bad empires trying to enforce their wills on the universe. I see sparing Cosette as a step towards that future.
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Post by Le_Fay on Oct 23, 2017 18:30:06 GMT -8
if i had my way i'd be sporting a PACT banner rn to be honest. actually i'd rather play as Fontana
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Post by longtimelurker on Oct 24, 2017 10:46:34 GMT -8
if i had my way i'd be sporting a PACT banner rn to be honest. actually i'd rather play as Fontana Allying with PACT seems pretty unlikely considering how bad the terms you parted on with Fontana were after the LD massacre, he is out for Kayto's blood and vice-versa no matter what because of Chigara's actions. It would be a nifty addition to be able to choose a faction to support and play different scenarios based on that decision but I highly doubt that will be an option, both for in-game and meta reasons. Hmmm, actually, I could see Alpha trying to recruit the crew by throwing them a lifeline now that they are at their worst... |
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