Post by vincent on Sept 8, 2017 3:44:06 GMT -8
Before I start, I apologize if this comes off as rambling, this idea has been on my mind and it would answer a lot of questions to me, I apologize if I get some info wrong but I will try my best. I shall start with the theory and then move onto my concerns.
I played through the Sunrider series and there is something I have began to notice, two very interesting things. The Academy Dimension holds several parallels to the Canon Dimension and there is a distinct five man band within the Sunrider crew.
Let's now establish the five man band roughly before we get onto the theory, Sola is an untold potential of the crew, Kayto is the leader, Ava is a leader with contrasting beliefs, Chigara revises and applies her knowledge to the team, and Asaga endures a glorified manifestation of the crew morale. This then makes the fair five man band of what were the most prominent characters in Sunrider
Kayto = The Leader
Ava = The Lancer
Chigara = The Mind
Asaga = The Strength
Sola = The Heart
Rule of thumb for theory: "Anything that happens in Academy is a less dramatized way and or metaphorical way of the outcome that will occur in the canon lore."
If you look into the Ava arc, you notice she is trying to uphold a name and pride for herself and her colleagues within the building while in the canon dimension she wishes to uphold a name for herself and her squadron within the Sunrider, this seems very similar in a way.
Asaga's Arc in Academy showed a side of formality and preplanned weddings almost as if it was a different age when things were different, she is depicted as running from this type of life and wishing to pursue her own. In the canon lore for Sunrider she is depicted as a descendant of the Ryuvian bloodline and or a bloodline of royalty. She runs from this in the sense of wanting to live her own life and in this sense instead of just the life of formality and royalty, it is also the Sharr of Ryuvia.
Now the main reason this idea came to place was because the Sola Arc, while her character may not hold as many comparisons. Her arc shows the link of how Claude was able to tamper with the other dimension a little in a way with the cameo she made. So this then does mean in some sort of way the two dimensions are closely connected due to how many similar aspects exist.
The place where this then begins to come in is that this then says a lot of how the future of the canon lore could be interpreted, while this is not completely set in stone, it seems like a rough tell of what can and will happen.
This then would mean by these similarities that there will be a change in nature of Ava towards Kayto which in turn potentially makes the group a closer bond, Asaga ends up coming to terms with who she wants to be and prevails as being herself, Sola finds closure whilst going through her tribulation and stays a formidable part of the crew.
With the majority of the characters described with the Academy to Canon parallels we then reach the final parallel between two characters, Chigara and Lynn. The Academy Arc goes as such, Chigara meets Kayto and they fall in love, Lynn comes along and conflict starts between her and Chigara, Kayto becomes suspicious and worried of the life that Chigara has, Lynn exposes Chigara is a clone, Chigara and Lynn then swap places because Chigara feels as if the heat is becoming too much for her so she lets Lynn take her place and then begins to pretend to be Lynn, Lynn then doesn't find out that Chigara's Life isn't all it was really cut out to be and they switch back.
The way Liberation Day works at face value with Chigara and Lynn is this.
Chigara and Kayto fall in love and then Lynn comes into the picture with a hostile mindset and what would appear to be a motive to wreak havoc like the other prototypes, this then begins to start a conflict as she then exposes Chigara could be a clone just like Lynn, the crew then becomes suspicious as some feel she will betray the crew, Claude then proves the fact that Chigara was a clone after her death, but she knew of the information the second she did the diagnostics on Chigara, Chigara then goes to the Liberation Day Ceremony with Kayto, Chigara then meets her fate and the Sunrider crew regroup, Claude lets out the information of Chigara being a clone all along around the time Chigara is in the Mindstream and overthrows Alice.
A couple issues come within this chain of events. Chigara went to the Mindstream before and it took longer than it took when it came to the second time which was during her final moments, if it can be presumed that you have to use your brain to enter the Mindstream, it can be ruled out that she could have entered by the way the events show within Liberation Day since she would have bled out by that time, which then means she would have had to go to the Mindstream presumably before she died and or during that scene, which was a smaller time frame than the first time she entered the Mindstream. Another thing is, she is often depicted as having to leave Diode at a young age due to the experiment of the Paradox Core leading to the end of Diode and the race that lived on it presumably, Chigara never had went back there in that time and was never depicted as someone stellar with technology from Diode, especially with less experience under her belt and only being shown going to the Mindstream twice, she could have never overthrown Alice during the battle for the throne, Alice had near full control and could manipulate others which then showed experience with Diode's Tech along with the upper hand for the throne of the Mindstream, Which at the end of it all, shows that she had no chance of actually winning the fight against alice, especially with how she acted after taking over the throne.
This then leads me to the conclusion that who fought Alice wasn't Chigara, but was Lynn, she would have had several reasons to do so, such as the fact that she already had bad blood between the two factions from the suspicions, also with the fact that she is an introverted person as seen throughout the series and probably would not want to go to such an event knowing that there would be major leaders of the two factions along with several people. This also follows the idea of the parallels between The Academy Dimension and The Canon Dimension. The chain of events stay similar for the most part but change at one certain point, when Chigara gets investigated by Claude. Claude's Personality leads her to the conclusion that she wouldn't let somebody get in her way of Kayto, even going as far as boasting how she could do so infront of the crew's face. This leads me to believe Claude told Chigara of the fact that she was a clone but forced her to keep quiet. So instead of Chigara going to the event, Chigara swaps places with Lynn and plays Lynn for a bit so Alice possesses Lynn. Lynn dies but due to the fact that she is shown to have more knowledge of the Mindstream than Chigara and working with Diode's Tech longer, she wouldn't have as much trouble making it to the Mindstream, this then changes the fight from Chigara and Alice to Lynn and Alice, the parallel theory enforces this more because when Chigara and Lynn swapped roles in Academy Dimension, their names were even changed to show the lack of understanding of who is who, plus with all characters having very similar if not the same personalities from Academy, Lynn could have very well also had a desire for Chigara's Life along with her relationship. At the end of it all, Chigara thinks through a lot of her ideas as The Mind of the group and this seeming so simple and to the point just comes off as a little odd to me which made me think of these comparisons.
Now, time to state the concerns I had and have.
I played through the Sunrider series and there is something I have began to notice, two very interesting things. The Academy Dimension holds several parallels to the Canon Dimension and there is a distinct five man band within the Sunrider crew.
Let's now establish the five man band roughly before we get onto the theory, Sola is an untold potential of the crew, Kayto is the leader, Ava is a leader with contrasting beliefs, Chigara revises and applies her knowledge to the team, and Asaga endures a glorified manifestation of the crew morale. This then makes the fair five man band of what were the most prominent characters in Sunrider
Kayto = The Leader
Ava = The Lancer
Chigara = The Mind
Asaga = The Strength
Sola = The Heart
Rule of thumb for theory: "Anything that happens in Academy is a less dramatized way and or metaphorical way of the outcome that will occur in the canon lore."
If you look into the Ava arc, you notice she is trying to uphold a name and pride for herself and her colleagues within the building while in the canon dimension she wishes to uphold a name for herself and her squadron within the Sunrider, this seems very similar in a way.
Asaga's Arc in Academy showed a side of formality and preplanned weddings almost as if it was a different age when things were different, she is depicted as running from this type of life and wishing to pursue her own. In the canon lore for Sunrider she is depicted as a descendant of the Ryuvian bloodline and or a bloodline of royalty. She runs from this in the sense of wanting to live her own life and in this sense instead of just the life of formality and royalty, it is also the Sharr of Ryuvia.
Now the main reason this idea came to place was because the Sola Arc, while her character may not hold as many comparisons. Her arc shows the link of how Claude was able to tamper with the other dimension a little in a way with the cameo she made. So this then does mean in some sort of way the two dimensions are closely connected due to how many similar aspects exist.
The place where this then begins to come in is that this then says a lot of how the future of the canon lore could be interpreted, while this is not completely set in stone, it seems like a rough tell of what can and will happen.
This then would mean by these similarities that there will be a change in nature of Ava towards Kayto which in turn potentially makes the group a closer bond, Asaga ends up coming to terms with who she wants to be and prevails as being herself, Sola finds closure whilst going through her tribulation and stays a formidable part of the crew.
With the majority of the characters described with the Academy to Canon parallels we then reach the final parallel between two characters, Chigara and Lynn. The Academy Arc goes as such, Chigara meets Kayto and they fall in love, Lynn comes along and conflict starts between her and Chigara, Kayto becomes suspicious and worried of the life that Chigara has, Lynn exposes Chigara is a clone, Chigara and Lynn then swap places because Chigara feels as if the heat is becoming too much for her so she lets Lynn take her place and then begins to pretend to be Lynn, Lynn then doesn't find out that Chigara's Life isn't all it was really cut out to be and they switch back.
The way Liberation Day works at face value with Chigara and Lynn is this.
Chigara and Kayto fall in love and then Lynn comes into the picture with a hostile mindset and what would appear to be a motive to wreak havoc like the other prototypes, this then begins to start a conflict as she then exposes Chigara could be a clone just like Lynn, the crew then becomes suspicious as some feel she will betray the crew, Claude then proves the fact that Chigara was a clone after her death, but she knew of the information the second she did the diagnostics on Chigara, Chigara then goes to the Liberation Day Ceremony with Kayto, Chigara then meets her fate and the Sunrider crew regroup, Claude lets out the information of Chigara being a clone all along around the time Chigara is in the Mindstream and overthrows Alice.
A couple issues come within this chain of events. Chigara went to the Mindstream before and it took longer than it took when it came to the second time which was during her final moments, if it can be presumed that you have to use your brain to enter the Mindstream, it can be ruled out that she could have entered by the way the events show within Liberation Day since she would have bled out by that time, which then means she would have had to go to the Mindstream presumably before she died and or during that scene, which was a smaller time frame than the first time she entered the Mindstream. Another thing is, she is often depicted as having to leave Diode at a young age due to the experiment of the Paradox Core leading to the end of Diode and the race that lived on it presumably, Chigara never had went back there in that time and was never depicted as someone stellar with technology from Diode, especially with less experience under her belt and only being shown going to the Mindstream twice, she could have never overthrown Alice during the battle for the throne, Alice had near full control and could manipulate others which then showed experience with Diode's Tech along with the upper hand for the throne of the Mindstream, Which at the end of it all, shows that she had no chance of actually winning the fight against alice, especially with how she acted after taking over the throne.
This then leads me to the conclusion that who fought Alice wasn't Chigara, but was Lynn, she would have had several reasons to do so, such as the fact that she already had bad blood between the two factions from the suspicions, also with the fact that she is an introverted person as seen throughout the series and probably would not want to go to such an event knowing that there would be major leaders of the two factions along with several people. This also follows the idea of the parallels between The Academy Dimension and The Canon Dimension. The chain of events stay similar for the most part but change at one certain point, when Chigara gets investigated by Claude. Claude's Personality leads her to the conclusion that she wouldn't let somebody get in her way of Kayto, even going as far as boasting how she could do so infront of the crew's face. This leads me to believe Claude told Chigara of the fact that she was a clone but forced her to keep quiet. So instead of Chigara going to the event, Chigara swaps places with Lynn and plays Lynn for a bit so Alice possesses Lynn. Lynn dies but due to the fact that she is shown to have more knowledge of the Mindstream than Chigara and working with Diode's Tech longer, she wouldn't have as much trouble making it to the Mindstream, this then changes the fight from Chigara and Alice to Lynn and Alice, the parallel theory enforces this more because when Chigara and Lynn swapped roles in Academy Dimension, their names were even changed to show the lack of understanding of who is who, plus with all characters having very similar if not the same personalities from Academy, Lynn could have very well also had a desire for Chigara's Life along with her relationship. At the end of it all, Chigara thinks through a lot of her ideas as The Mind of the group and this seeming so simple and to the point just comes off as a little odd to me which made me think of these comparisons.
Now, time to state the concerns I had and have.
- If the Liberation Day ending is exactly what is presented itself as, then it feels like there is no real purpose to make further expansions of Chigara from this point forward, reworking her character back into the story in the place of the Mindstream does nothing further than makes her the same character that nobody liked, somebody who had too much involvement with the story and is only there to exist, upon that. If a reworking of her characterization came through, I feel as if people would just appreciate a new character more and it would be easier to characterize. She has no further motive to move onward from death as she would have done as much as she could have which for her character would seem satisfactory.
- Chigara's Characterization always comes off as the tragic character but as one that never really found closure to herself even presumably halfway throughout the story, everything she did always had a cost regardless of what it was and I think this also made her a boring and or annoying character to most, she did so much throughout the recent bits of lore yet she also never really grew of a character because each goal accomplished countered itself with a near equal force of consequence.
- The arc of Chigara in Liberation Day has shown one thing if nothing much more comes from it, that another arc like this should never be done again until the very end, it complicates the lore and takes factors away from the VN that a lot of readers appreciated having and it simply held little to no real meaning to the bigger picture of the lore. My suggestion would arguably be to keep the affection values and or take into consideration the choices the player makes, and at the end of the series (whenever that will be.) when completed with all of the stats linked together, the character with the highest affection value on the player's list will be the character to contain an extra CG at the very end reflecting of the protagonist's connection with that individual.
- Also, as an individual who enjoys Chigara's Character but still has a sense of humanity. Let's give a little love to the Icari Fanclub out there, hopefully more characterization along with Kryska?