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Post by steeghost on Jan 18, 2018 7:26:51 GMT -8
I've just finished playing Mask of Arcadius and Liberation day and an idea popped up in my mind, so what if kayto could/would be a ryder pilot on the next game or maybe on just 1 mission?
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Post by Prince995 on Jan 18, 2018 11:16:50 GMT -8
I... don't think it would work so easily unless Kayto magically learns how to pilot a ryder while he is on that planet with Sola... not to mention getting access to a ryder...
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Post by defieroftheodds on Jan 18, 2018 15:36:41 GMT -8
I... don't think it would work so easily unless Kayto magically learns how to pilot a ryder while he is on that planet with Sola... not to mention getting access to a ryder... Kayto could have access to a ryder if a pilot is out of action for some reason but I agree, Kayto is an officer and I doubt officer training involves learning how to pilot a ryder. Maybe in a cut-scene, for whatever reason, Kayto has a little knowledge of how ryders work and launches a missile barrage through the ships hanger door or something. I assume this would be a last resort though. In terms of gameplay this might create some issues. The player controls Kayto while in command anyway so it might be a bit weird to control kayto as a unit during these sections. I guess you would be playing as Ava or a random lieutenant or ensign.
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Post by Rellek on Jan 18, 2018 16:50:06 GMT -8
I also believe that most if not all Ryder pilots in the universe are canonically female for some reason. Can't remember why, but it seemed important.
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Post by Nemjen on Jan 19, 2018 4:27:23 GMT -8
I also believe that most if not all Ryder pilots in the universe are canonically female for some reason. Can't remember why, but it seemed important. Perhaps there is something floating around about ancient Ryuvian culture but my understanding is that modern constructed Ryders can be piloted by anyone regardless of gender (assuming they've been trained to pilot of course).
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Post by defieroftheodds on Jan 19, 2018 11:56:45 GMT -8
Well that could make sense, the entire of mankind was united under the holy ryuvian empire so its culture could still be prevalent in the events of sunrider.
But then ryder technology was lost for around 400 years so I doubt that this is the case during a time period with tensions between the new empire and the solar alliance so high.
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Post by steeghost on Jan 21, 2018 8:45:03 GMT -8
I... don't think it would work so easily unless Kayto magically learns how to pilot a ryder while he is on that planet with Sola... not to mention getting access to a ryder... Well there goes my hopes I guess. kinda off topic but I hope the next game feature some ace ryder pilots from PACT and Alliance. btw Ava is LOVE
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Post by defieroftheodds on Jan 21, 2018 9:05:20 GMT -8
Can you elaborate a little, do you mean more types of enemy ryders when in command or do you mean more ryder pilots that have an effect on the story? I'm assuming you mean the latter but I just wanted to clarify that.
Due to ambiguity, I'll ignore the possibly heretical statement at the end of your post.
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Post by steeghost on Jan 21, 2018 9:44:24 GMT -8
I mean more characters on the other factions because right now both are lacking, especially on the Alliance side since the admiral was taken out (no more badass qoutes ). Heretical? Which religion did you came form?! I won't be corrupted by your teachings easily
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Post by defieroftheodds on Jan 21, 2018 14:35:31 GMT -8
Hmm, Fontana is still a leader of PACT alongside Kuushana whos character I expect will be developed in future installments of sunrider.
You do have a point about alliance leaders. The new leader of the alliance military will have to be appointed due to the events you've mentioned. The events regarding Cosette could mean a new pirate leader might need to be appointed too. There is also the ryuvian prince who I assume will also play a major role in future installments. Im all for future sunriders being longer and having many side routes where your idea of 'ace pilots' could be implemented. There might be a small issue if there is too much content already planned though. I guess we have to look forward to the things that samu-kun comes up with in future installments.
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Post by magicdragon on Jan 27, 2018 18:44:45 GMT -8
I... don't think it would work so easily unless Kayto magically learns how to pilot a ryder while he is on that planet with Sola... not to mention getting access to a ryder... Kayto could have access to a ryder if a pilot is out of action for some reason but I agree, Kayto is an officer and I doubt officer training involves learning how to pilot a ryder. Maybe in a cut-scene, for whatever reason, Kayto has a little knowledge of how ryders work and launches a missile barrage through the ships hanger door or something. I assume this would be a last resort though. In terms of gameplay this might create some issues. The player controls Kayto while in command anyway so it might be a bit weird to control kayto as a unit during these sections. I guess you would be playing as Ava or a random lieutenant or ensign. Hmmm Kayto could learn some ryder skills if Sola brought what she needed to set up a sim, as a Sharr she can't let her skills get rusty. Though Kayto was specifically selected to be captain of the Sunrider because of his skill in the sims as a ship's captain, not a ryder pilot, so it doesn't entirely make sense for him to be out in a ryder while Ava (who was passed over for that promotion) is left in command of the ship. (Yes Ava is second in command and so command would only fall to another officer if Ava were injured and forced to sickbay while Kayto was out flying around.) Although while the Sunrider was pretty thoroughly smashed it could be possible that Chigara's ryder wasn't destroyed so could maybe have been salvaged some time later. So if Kayto were to become a decent pilot he might find himself flying Liberty on the first mission of the game to steal a ship such as one of the new pact carriers as their design was (if I recall correctly) based on the Sunrider, but without the Vanguard cannon. It could be an interesting way to open the next game. I also believe that most if not all Ryder pilots in the universe are canonically female for some reason. Can't remember why, but it seemed important. Perhaps there is something floating around about ancient Ryuvian culture but my understanding is that modern constructed Ryders can be piloted by anyone regardless of gender (assuming they've been trained to pilot of course). As I recall Kryska said that alliance ships were not co-ed, so unless all the Alliance carriers are all crewed by female soldiers, there would be carriers crewed by men and thus have male ryder pilots. I also think part of the reason Kryska was chosen to join Sunrider was because all the other pilots were female so she would adjust to being one of their pilots more easily then a male pilot. Well that could make sense, the entire of mankind was united under the holy ryuvian empire so its culture could still be prevalent in the events of sunrider. But then ryder technology was lost for around 400 years so I doubt that this is the case during a time period with tensions between the new empire and the solar alliance so high. When I read Rellek's Post, I thought it could be something of a cultural stigma since the Sharr of Ryuvia was the most elite and all girls looked up to her and wanted to be her. Though 400 years with no ryders and thus no ryder pilots is a long time for the sentiment of 'being a ryder pilot is women's work' to still be a part of the various cultures that have risen since the fall of the Ryuvian Empire. So maybe its just that in the Sunrider universe women are the bigger thrill seekers and are drawn to the adrenaline rush of being a ryder pilot more then men.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Feb 8, 2018 16:19:07 GMT -8
It would be interesting if the liberty survived. I guess maybe you could search for the wreckage of the sunrider in a future mission and find a damaged liberty that you have the option to restore with credits. I would think that Claude would be the most logical pilot though as the bianca was destroyed.
It seems a little far fetched to me that Sola brought a ryder simulator to Tydaria, it wouldn't really be first priority but I guess its possible.
Your idea on having Kayto steal a PACT assault carrier is interesting. I can just imagine your ryders and the stolen carrier flying towards Tydaria while being chased by fast cruisers.
I do recall hearing somewhere that aliance carriers had all their pilots the same gender but I don't have a specific example to support that.
Now I think about, Kryska would be the one in command if Kayto and Ava can't be but as she pilots the paladin you'd be left with a random ensign but I assume that if Kayto is to become a ryder pilot, a new character will be introduced so that this situation doesn't occur.
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Post by magicdragon on Feb 8, 2018 17:17:46 GMT -8
I'd forgotten about the Bianca being destroyed...But the ryders get destroyed a lot so it could be the Bianca was towed back, thus is could also be in the Sunrider waiting to be salvaged. Sadly that thought raises the plot hole question of why didn't anyone notice there was no corpse in the ryder if it's remains were recovered after the battle?
It does seem unlikely a ryder sim was packed for their stay on Tydaria, I was just grasping for a way Kayto could have gotten some skills as a pilot for a mission.
My first thought was Icari, as Chief of Security would be the next highest ranking after Ava, but Kryska and Ava do wear the same uniform which could indicate they are the same rank. Not that it would make any difference as Icari would also be in a ryder. Kayto and Ava are the only two that we really get to know that are not ryder pilots, so anyway we look at this either a new member of the bridge crew would need to be introduced or command would fall to that yet unknown crewman.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Feb 9, 2018 0:42:21 GMT -8
As you said, I don't believe that the bianca was recovered but that doesn't mean that the bianca is unsalvageable, they didn't really have time to recover the Bianca as the battle had not been concluded when it was destroyed.
The only issue now is why they didn't find the wreckage, that would be the only reason why it wouldn't have been recovered. I guess it just got hit by a kinetic round and drifted off.
Kryska is a lieutenant so she is outranked by Ava as she is a commander but we both stated, another character will most likely be created for this role.
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Post by magicdragon on Feb 9, 2018 11:21:58 GMT -8
A possibility I hadn't thought of was that Claude could have recovered the Bianca when everyone else was focused on the Nightmare Ascendant. Claude recovering it herself would also keep anyone from noticing her body wasn't in it.
I was looking at the character pictures in Sunrider, Kryska's and Ava's look the same to me and that was why I was thinking they may be the same rank. But you're right Kryska is only a lieutenant, so I guess the only reason their uniforms look alike is that they are the only two girls who have actually joined the military and are not civilians recruited for their skills.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Feb 10, 2018 13:00:43 GMT -8
I guess that could be possible, I thought it was implied that Claude used her time travel powers to survive due to a 'space time portal' ripping open in the ending so Claude could have repaired the bianca in a similar way to how she repaired the bianca's grav-gun in return, although it did take her a month.
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