Post by general-aetius on Jun 7, 2018 18:27:27 GMT -8
Does anybody else think those two have a messed up situation? Kayto has had feelings for Ava since they were children and those feelings for her at the beginning of Sunrider. Kayto tries to get closer to her and she rebukes him, which is understandable considering she the XO. Ava clearly cares for him too, but can't forsake her duty either, so that leaves the both of them in an unfortunate situation. Kinda makes sense how Kayto falls hard for the first woman who shows him affection, other than Claude. Then Ava tries to convince Kayto not to trust Chigara and the poor guy doesn't know what to think! Anyways, that's my basic take on it, feel free to add anything I missed.
Post by magicdragon on Jun 7, 2018 19:14:07 GMT -8
I know in the US military there are rules about relationships. Its okay for 2 enlisted to have a relationship as long as one is not in charge of the other, ie. a platoon sergeant isn't supposed to have a relationship with someone in their platoon. Relationships between officers and enlisted are more strict as they can't be in the same company (also the officer may find themselves being passed over for promotion, its that discouraged). Between officers its like enlisted one cannot be in charge of the other. So if Kayto and Ava were in the US military their relationship would definitely be against regulations.
I've never really thought about it before, I don't know if every military regulates relationships the same way. It could be that Cera's military regulations don't obstruct personal relationships. As a possible boost to that theory, at the end of [ReTurn] when you got one of the happy endings, including Ava's, they would always tell the new girl not to get any ideas about the captain he has a girlfriend already. Reading through when Ava rejects him thinking that is her duty, I had the impression that she was following regulations, an impression that admittedly was skewed by my time in the military. However it could be that it wasn't regulations but a belief she had to put her duty above her feelings and thought she was doing what was best to keep Kayto focused on his duty to the ship and crew.
All in all yes I agree their relationship is messed up.
Post by general-aetius on Jun 7, 2018 20:09:33 GMT -8
I don't think any relationship beyond friendship is appropriate for those two. Maybe if Kayto wasn't her direct superior, but literally her job is to keep the captain in check and take over for him if he's incapacitated. Imagine how much Ava's command ability could be compromised (if they're lovers) if Kayto was critically injured and she has to assume command? I actually respect Ava wanting to keep her distance but Command dropped the ball putting them in that situation in the first place. Still it strikes me odd with so many people shipping Kayto and Ava. Ava wouldn't be Ava if she couldn't keep Kayto in check and that's very hard to do with a romantic partner.
Post by general-aetius on Jun 12, 2018 20:25:33 GMT -8
The relationship is definitely platonic as of present, but I believe there is little doubt it couldn't be more. The more I've played the games, the more Ava has grown on me. Still it's a shame that the two couldn't be more honest with one another until the epilogue of Lib Day and the Return DLC.
I don't think any relationship beyond friendship is appropriate for those two. Maybe if Kayto wasn't her direct superior, but literally her job is to keep the captain in check and take over for him if he's incapacitated. Imagine how much Ava's command ability could be compromised (if they're lovers) if Kayto was critically injured and she has to assume command?
I don't think Kayto being injured would compromise Ava's ability to take command, as she has already had to do so once. Granted they aren't lovers but I think Ava is very good at burying her emotions to do what needs to be done and dealing with her emotions later when she is alone. On the other hand it could be argued that Ava's judgement is clouded by their relationship, the best example being if you chose not to send Ava to sacrifice her life to destroy the Legion, Kayto makes a big scene on the bridge but Ava doesn't press him to stand down as captain for clearly being emotionally compromised.
I actually respect Ava wanting to keep her distance but Command dropped the ball putting them in that situation in the first place. Still it strikes me odd with so many people shipping Kayto and Ava. Ava wouldn't be Ava if she couldn't keep Kayto in check and that's very hard to do with a romantic partner.
I don't think you can really blame Cera Command unless at some time Kayto or/and Ava told Cera Command they had an intimate relationship that could interfere with their ability to perform their duties.
While I agree with you that their military stations make an intimate relationship inappropriate, I would still ship them. Kayto can be a bit of a slacker and can get Ava to relax a bit from time to time, but Ava keeps Kayto from slacking off too much which is why I think they need each other.
kalwinters: Is Sunrider-vn.com coming back up again sometime? I wanted to look through the old lore posts describing the state of the galaxy, unless someone knows if they're posted somewhere else.
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