Le_Fay
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 10, 2017 4:34:31 GMT -8
So I've watched the ending of LD a number of times and I still can't fathom how the sunrider crew survived. After escaping from the sun rider into escape pods, they're pretty much left defenseless, save for the 4 Rider pilots left (asaga, sola, krysaka, icari). As Ava and the rest of the crew (minus shields and Lynn) escaped) a pact ship came upon and was told no prisoners. And then the story cut away to shields again.
So I got a couple theories
1. Shields was the sole survivor along with lynn and what we saw concerning the rest of the crew surviving was him hallucinating.
2. The ending was all in shields head right before he rammed macaveili actual.
3. I'm terribly wrong and they all lucked out and survived
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Post by pancakefury on Aug 26, 2017 9:17:14 GMT -8
>how the sunrider crew survived
Well, it barely did. How many men that blasted boat had on board and how many we know have survived? Seven out of how many, hundreds? I think that PACT ship was distracted with blasting other life pods from the sky (potentially hundreds of them), which allowed the girls to snatch the important ones away.
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Le_Fay
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Post by Le_Fay on Aug 26, 2017 9:48:21 GMT -8
All the crew were gathered into one life pod so that explanation is invalid. And I meant the main cast anyway
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 28, 2017 13:02:05 GMT -8
Well the way I read the end, Icari and Krysaka are out of ammo unsure what to do next. The Pact ship sees the life pods, an officer asks if they should take prisoners which the captain replies he was told no prisoners. Before the captain orders the life pods destroyed another officer reports new riders incoming (enter Asaga and Sola). This part would be more clear if Asaga and/or Sola fired on the pact ship and destroyed it or damaged it badly enough for the pact captain to order the ship to fall back for repairs. Instead we are left to assume that two riders that have not run out of ammo is enough to scare the Pact captain away. Then we have Shield giving his 'It's been an honor to serve with you now I die protecting Cera' speech and destroys the Macaveili Actual leaving the Alliance fleet unsure what to do so they start to regroup. At seeing the Alliance regrouping, Pact also starts to regroup so they don't find their ships being picked off one at a time by groups of Alliance ships. While both fleets are regrouping the four rider pilots start gathering and tying together the life pods (yes there was more than one life pod...as usual the rest of the crew was talked about but not seen), Asaga takes off looking for Shields while the other three pilots grab the life pods and sneak away while the Pact and Alliance are regrouping and too busy to notice the crew of the Sunrider is getting away.
So ya, I'm going with option 3. they all lucked out and survived.
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Post by neppi on Sept 3, 2017 14:15:54 GMT -8
I go with option 2 if no final arc of Sunrider will be published. But yeah, they all lucked out like crazy. I interpreted the ending the same as magicdragon. Man a final arc of this game would have so much opportunities to give us a good story. So much potential  |
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Post by Nemjen on Sept 3, 2017 23:06:43 GMT -8
Man a final arc of this game would have so much opportunities to give us a good story. So much potential It will be a long wait then, there is a additional one month delay for each time I've received the question 'when is the next Sunrider?' on top of everything else. I should warn you it is a scary figure.  |
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Post by jesusalva on Sept 25, 2017 20:28:56 GMT -8
>how the sunrider crew survived Well, it barely did. How many men that blasted boat had on board and how many we know have survived? Seven out of how many, hundreds? I think that PACT ship was distracted with blasting other life pods from the sky (potentially hundreds of them), which allowed the girls to snatch the important ones away. The Sunrider can (or could?) be operated with a crew of just fifty. (That's what Ava told me, anyways) While it is rather unlikely to be on minimum capacity, you can expect that the crew would not be above 300 (random guess). That doesn't seems to be correct, because PACT said “Captain, we detect enemy escape pods.” in plural. Also, by the background, you can judge a few pods had to be launched, not just one. Besides, the PACT officer told to prepare to fire on his mark. A cutscene (let's ignore it), and next thing is PACT reporting the ryders approach. After that, the ryders are instructed to protect the life pods. It is also worthy noticing that previously, Fontana told about correcting wrong ways, and later Kuushana says: “mistreating prisoners of war” in the list of sins. Therefore, it is a possibility that the officer hesitated before murdering people who were fleeing defenseless. There's even the odd that the PACT Officer didn't wanted to kill anyone - he/she is a human, right? - So when enemies appeared, the decision was to focus on fighting where honor is. As for survival odds, Icari says “"What!? But we just finished tying up all the life pods!"” before Asaga rushing to Kayto. Therefore, it's secure to assume that most if not the whole crew survived. ...Well, this is how I've read this scene, at least. |
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Post by defieroftheodds on Dec 2, 2017 7:55:43 GMT -8
I dont think the idea that the crew 'lucked out' is the only possible explanation. Logically if you have the necessary resources it would be better to provide the escape pods with some armour or shielding.
Id be willing to bet that the majority of the alliance's missiles had already been fired at the sunrider.
Sure if the escape pods had no shielding or armour at all then the only logical solution is that the crew survived because of random chance but assuming the escape pods were equiped with some armour, this would mean that assault weapons would be ineffective and kinetic weapons and cannons would be too inaccurate to hit.
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Post by admiralcheese on Dec 7, 2017 11:39:39 GMT -8
Most Science Fiction settings tend to play it out that Escape/Savior pods are robustly constructed. Need WoG on that one way or another though.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Dec 7, 2017 12:30:47 GMT -8
It makes more sense to me for life pods to either A. be as robustly constructed as possible or B. to be as fast as possible. I guess there is also the option to create a cheap life pod for every single crew member as well, although that would guarantee that most crew members survive, in this situation it would most likely be the least effective.
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Post by Rellek on Dec 13, 2017 22:01:43 GMT -8
I'd have thought that Escape Pods were built to survive re-entry into a planets atmosphere if need be. I imagine the things are built like tanks.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Dec 14, 2017 16:13:13 GMT -8
My beliefs of this matter are:
1. Escape pods are meant to be purposeful, not luxurious meaning that they will be as little excess space as possible. Hence they will be smaller and harder to hit.
2. weapons that could hit them. E.G. pulse/assault weapons can be countered by armoring and shielding the escape pod a little. This would not be very expensive and necessary for the reasons like the one Rellek stated. Hence they would have a higher chance to make it to safety if they were under fire.
3. I am under the impression that the PACT Captain didnt give the order to fire because of the arrival of the Seraphim and Blackjack. I'd honestly be rather surprised if the captain decided to target the lifepods instead of engaging the much more threatening riders. Asagas comments when she arrives give me the impression that the lifepods hadn't fired upon before this point.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Dec 16, 2017 10:24:34 GMT -8
All the crew were gathered into one life pod so that explanation is invalid. And I meant the main cast anyway Id say that it is more likely that there are several lifepods. I agree that when Ava is evacuating the crew, she does seem to refer to a singular lifepod but there are more situations where the lifepods are referenced in the plural. When Asaga arrives she references the lifepods in the plural, The PACT Ensign also states 'we detect enemy escape pods' and Icari also uses the plural when she states 'we just finished tying up all the life pods.' I assume that when Ava referred to a singular lifepod, she was referring to the last lifepod and the others had already launched or there is a small possibility of a mistake by the developers but the first scenario seems more likely to me. |
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Post by marioo on Jan 21, 2018 14:20:25 GMT -8
It's been some time since I saw the ending, but did other ships get an order to shoot the escape pods, too? Because I'd guess that unless given explicit order to target escape pods most PACT ships wouldn't waste time shooting escape pods. Not taking prisoners is a whole different thing from being ordered to target escape pods at primary target. Not only would it be a war crime (though that's obviously not a deciding factor), but it would take time and ressources that would be better spent shooting actual threats. And with escape pods being a very small, very fast moving target among a lot of debris you can't just blindly shoot at them, immeditely destroying them, but have to carefully aim (or use missiles).
So if we assume that only one ship was even trying to shoot the escape pods and that it's severely limited in how fast it can target and destroy pods, it's much easier to believe that it could only have taken out a few (if any) of the escape pods before the Seraphim and Blackjack arrived.
The better question would be why not ships of both fleets targeted the Ryders. Not shooting unarmed escape pods is understandable, but Ryders would be a legitimate threat. The only reason I could think of would be that in the chaos after the destruction of the Machiavelly Actual, most Alliance and PACT ships couldn't identify them as enemies without any doubt. In such a situation nobody would shoot at an unidentified target as long as there's so many clearly identified enemy ships.
So the reason the crew (mostly?) survived wasn't just that they lucked out, but rather that most of PACT and Alliance ships didn't even try shooting them as to avoid possible friendly fire.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Jan 23, 2018 11:00:12 GMT -8
I agree that escape pods would not be the priority target for the PACT and alliance fleets. So it would make sense that in the middle of all the carnage the majority of both sides would prioritise engaging the main enemy fleet than the escape pods.
I don't really think that there would be an identification issue though, the sunrider was the enemy of all sides after the liberation day massacre so they would be shot at by everyone. The ship was deep in alliance lines also so the alliance would be able to quickly identify the single ship charging towards their main carrier and where the escape pods were coming from (I agree that there could be a friendly fire issue here). PACT on the other hand, would't really even have any issues as the ships they would be engaging would be alliance ships not the sunrider so they will be firing on all escape pods coming from the alliance lines.
I guess the order given to the PACT ships were to not take any prisoners from the alliance or the sunrider as they were both PACT's enemies. In contrast we don't know for certain if the alliance ships were ordered to take prisoners or not.
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Post by defieroftheodds on Feb 8, 2018 15:51:43 GMT -8
Actually, Ava states in the ending that the crew escaped in 8 lifepods and she didn't mention any lifepods failing to arrive safely. So I think that clears up the issue of the number of lifepods.
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