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Post by vincent on Aug 31, 2017 1:00:57 GMT -8
I am not saying it is in a bad state, nor a good state. But I am just curious as to what the fans opinion of it and it's quality is right now. I want the discussions to stay civil, but I would just like a little more insight.
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Post by MrNickUniverse on Aug 31, 2017 2:57:37 GMT -8
I honestly think Sunrider is in a pretty good spot right now. The way I see it, Sunrider is now finally ready to open up to have a more branching story than it did in previous instalments. Although I didn't personally want to choose Chigara, I did think it made for a great narrative. I know many people didn't like the forced romance with Chigara, but think of how hard it would be to carry out completely different story routes throughout MoA, LD, and games still to come. I see the forced Chigara part of Sunrider as a sort of prologue or common route if you will. I believe the series now has lots of potential going forward to expand on player choices and differing outcomes.
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Post by magicdragon on Oct 12, 2017 12:58:45 GMT -8
I agree with MrNickUniverse, that Sunrider is in a good place with a lot of potential. Will Kryska be able to convince the alliance that Shields isn't an enemy, or will she need to be broken out of prison? Will Kryska be able to continue working as an alliance liaison with the Sunrider crew or will she resign her commission or will she not rejoin the crew at all? Will Ava and Asaga find something of value on the Ryuvian moon or will that be a dead end? With Crow showing up and starting to take over some neutral planets will the alliance and pact be able to stop warring with each other to deal with this new threat?
Lots of questions and a lot of engaging options to answer those questions.
As the Visual Novel is titled Sunrider I am hoping that the ship isn't going to be abandoned as destroyed beyond repair but rather some outcome like....After ramming the alliance flag ship, and the Alliance and Pact forces stop battling, Ceran forces will manage to salvage most of the Sunrider and fix it enough that they can warp it to Ryuvia, where Asaga and Ava have discovered that the artificial moon of Ryuvia is actually an advanced shipyard. Due to centuries of disuse and lack of maintenance it isn't capable of producing the advanced warships of old, but it can be used to repair the Sunrider....At least that is my guess on how we get the Sunrider back. I am sure there are many ways this could happen.
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Post by Sorzo on Oct 12, 2017 15:42:51 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the original Sunrider is gone for good.
But don't worry. In the next game, Kayto will be recruited by a Ceran supremacist terrorist organization led by a chain-smoking Prototype, which will bring Chigara back to life and present them with the Sunrider SR-2.
After that, they'll go find Sola, who's been busy sniping the criminal population of Ongess while operating as the masked vigilante known as Seraphim.
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Post by admiralcheese on Oct 12, 2017 21:09:05 GMT -8
Nononononono. I know where that line of thinking ends.
From a story standpoint it's fine. From a practical standpoint a lot will depend on Starnova. They took a hit with Liberation day despite the drastic improvements made in such a short period of time.
So we are left to watch the horizon for activity and wait.
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Post by magicdragon on Oct 13, 2017 10:43:26 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the original Sunrider is gone for good. Yes I fear this is true, but hope its not. But don't worry. In the next game, Kayto will be recruited by a Ceran supremacist terrorist organization led by a chain-smoking Prototype, which will bring Chigara back to life and present them with the Sunrider SR-2. I was with you until you said Prototype, I'm not sure I'd want to set foot on that ship....I have some major trust issues with a ship made by a group who's logic seems to revolve around killing everyone. How do we unite humanity against an enemy with far superior ships and weapons? Easy will start a massive war between the two major factions that will kill billions of people and decimate their military. Oh and that guy is most likely to manage to unite the major faction so we will take every opportunity to make sure he doesn't survive to fulfill any such potential....Ya, I'd fear any ship built by a prototype while being highly advanced and ultra powerful would also have a self destruct that Alpha could activate whenever she decided to bring her prototype spies home and see what they've learned. After that, they'll go find Sola, who's been busy sniping the criminal population of Ongess while operating as the masked vigilante known as Seraphim. Sola is on Tydaria guarding Shields and Ongess would still be under Alliance control. So really not sure how or why Sola would be sniping criminals...Now if it was Icari taking out criminals to make some money to pay for the mercenaries she will need to bust Kryska out of prison, that makes sense to me. |
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Post by Sorzo on Oct 13, 2017 10:54:19 GMT -8
Nononononono. I know where that line of thinking ends.
Don't worry. The Sunrider series has already had its controversial ending that required a free extended cut update. The end of the series will skip that and go straight to the awesome party filled with inside jokes and the characters all getting drunk.
As long as Love In Space doesn't release a crappy spinoff in which a bunch of morons move to another galaxy to fight boring rock people, it's all good.
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Post by admiralcheese on Oct 13, 2017 12:20:55 GMT -8
But don't worry. In the next game, Kayto will be recruited by a Ceran supremacist terrorist organization led by a chain-smoking Prototype, which will bring Chigara back to life and present them with the Sunrider SR-2. I was with you until you said Prototype, I'm not sure I'd want to set foot on that ship....I have some major trust issues with a ship made by a group who's logic seems to revolve around killing everyone. How do we unite humanity against an enemy with far superior ships and weapons? Easy will start a massive war between the two major factions that will kill billions of people and decimate their military. Oh and that guy is most likely to manage to unite the major faction so we will take every opportunity to make sure he doesn't survive to fulfill any such potential....Ya, I'd fear any ship built by a prototype while being highly advanced and ultra powerful would also have a self destruct that Alpha could activate whenever she decided to bring her prototype spies home and see what they've learned. After that, they'll go find Sola, who's been busy sniping the criminal population of Ongess while operating as the masked vigilante known as Seraphim. Sola is on Tydaria guarding Shields and Ongess would still be under Alliance control. So really not sure how or why Sola would be sniping criminals...Now if it was Icari taking out criminals to make some money to pay for the mercenaries she will need to bust Kryska out of prison, that makes sense to me. My dude. It was a ME2 reference. |
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Post by bigfoot on Oct 13, 2017 13:07:49 GMT -8
Pretty good one, I can see that happening  |
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Post by magicdragon on Oct 13, 2017 16:09:42 GMT -8
I was pretty sure he was joking and I didn't mean to sound overly serious in my reply. But I don't know ME2 so ya, I totally missed the reference.
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Post by ChapterSerf on Oct 20, 2017 11:53:17 GMT -8
I never played the original release of LD. So I was never part of that controversy. By the time Steam threw MoA at me 3.0 was already out.
I thought the railroad of LD was a little odd, but I wasn't entirely put off and pissed over it. In hindsight it makes sense. Granted, I'm not a huge VN person and thus things like Routes are generally unknown to me. I prefer a more fluid romance system where if you want to avoid a love triangle, you gotta watch what you say to who, instead of selecting a character and just catering to that character long enough to get the steamy romance scene.
To run a game with a pre-established romance option (as in, one chosen the game prior) and have to juggle the potentially many differences and complexities that can emerge. Say you romanced Sola in the second game, they gotta handle that in third, and all the other myriad options. Maybe there's a reason the original romance options from ME1 only ever had a brief cameo in ME2? I dunno. It'd make sense. They also maybe wanted to broaden your horizons. Regardless, unless they add Kryska and Cosette as options (Kryska seems kinda secondary to be honest. Hell, she didn't even have a route in [RE]turn though Kayto's internal reasoning for not potentially going to her makes sense), all of the romance options are already there. (And Cosette might not even show depending on what you did.)
Still though, the story is in a good position for a good third game. You've got options, you've got potential. Hell, maybe there'll be a Chigara path even. Who can say? For the people who truly believed that Chigara loved Shields and wasn't just manipulating the hell out of him. (Not me. Mine threw Chigara under the bus HARD. Sorry Chigara fans!) I am eagerly waiting for Shining Star Nova to be done so work can begin on Sunrider III.
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Post by Sorzo on Oct 20, 2017 16:32:51 GMT -8
As I recall, the main reason ME1's love interests had limited screentime in ME2 was because ME2 was structured around an endgame where any squad member could die. By putting the first game's love interests on the sidelines in ME2, BioWare was ensuring that they could play more sizable roles in ME3. Notice how most of the ME2 squadmates, love interests included, had fairly limited roles in ME3. The only exceptions were Garrus and Tali, who had the benefit of being by far the most popular characters in the series.
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Post by longtimelurker on Oct 24, 2017 10:58:35 GMT -8
Well, everything is in complete disarray now, so the potential of something good being born from chaos is high, but also can become a mess depending on how this new beginning is handled. I mean, pretty much everything we did before is kinda pointless as we lost the Sunrider and support from pretty much everyone after the LD massacre, and the forced Chigara romance/"death" also reseted whichever relationship you were working on, so everyone's Kayto somewhat converged into the same "blank slate" to be used as a start for the next game. Crow becoming a major threat will probably play a big part in the other factions turning a blind eye to you or even letting you join their ranks if you can somehow manage to help them out of pinch, what I am most curious about is how will we be able to get our firepower back when everyone is out for our blood. Ryuvia isn't that powerful to stand up against any of the major powers and Fontana isn't an idiot, he probably will be the first one to realize you escaped and try to seize Ryuvian assets to prevent Asaga from trying anything funny.
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Post by shanewallis on Oct 25, 2017 10:57:58 GMT -8
It's good i didn't hate the ending or anything and am looking forward to the sequel
Though i would have preferred not to have a Chigara romance, it's not that i dislike her or anything but she's more of a innocent 'protect at any cost' type character rather then a romance one imo, given the choice i'd probably have reacted similar to shields in defender her only with less of a romantic view
I don wonder how they'll continue, i'm thinking Ryuvias moon may well be some giant wish-all or something, maybe a time machine something but then that would just result in return wouldn't it
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Post by valikdu on Oct 31, 2017 11:52:39 GMT -8
the current state is that I need more of it
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Post by clove on Nov 7, 2017 6:57:45 GMT -8
the current state is that I need more of it Yes. And yes. |
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