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Post by Blackhead on Apr 5, 2016 9:28:08 GMT -8
Downsides: tsundere: She just seems shoehorned into it so strongly it feels like she is token character "x", although I don't know if that's just my view (I don't watch anime and perhaps that's why I don't care for all these really... magnified archetypes) Pretty sure that you're not alone on this one, I know many people who are turned off by obvious character archetypes. As a Icari supporter myself and seing her portrayal in LibDay I'd 100% agree on the "too forced towards that trope" assessment. Character (archetypes) tropes are normally supposed to serve as a foundation or frame, therefore it's important for a character to bring along additional attributes, backstory, room for character development etc. Otherwise we end up with a really blank and shallow hull of a character. There was not much time invested, or particularly much thought given on her character in LibDay so we ended up with what I'd call a "soulless" tsundere - sadly a step backwards compared to previous games. Another thing I disliked was her going full "dere" on us near the end, where she was constantly crying around. Far too much for someone who's considered tsun by default. Am i the only one who sees a parallelism between opening a 'sweet, cute' bakery and a 'sweet, cute' cat cafee. God damn... if Icari becomes to much like the girl I hate most of the entire cast... I may have to turn my back on her... It wouldn't even be betrayal by me, but her betraying us, since our empress would basically dethrone herself by breaking the tsun codex. P.S. Showing a little dere is fine, just don't overdo it. #Free_Icari_from_pink_cotton_candy_cuteness_syndrome. The new Icari-tsun slogan: - One dere girl ruined the story already, is there need for another one? -
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Post by knightoblivion on Apr 5, 2016 10:26:46 GMT -8
I'm just here to say HELL YEA, AVA TIED FOR FIRST AGAIN. WOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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Post by 白龍 on Apr 5, 2016 17:58:22 GMT -8
I like Sola. I like Ava too. But I voted for Sola. I could be otherwise convinced. Anybody? *Stares across the trenches*
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Post by quirriff on Apr 6, 2016 21:37:26 GMT -8
Sola you want to hug, Ava you want to be your waifu!
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Post by admiralcheese on Apr 6, 2016 21:42:30 GMT -8
Poor Asaga. She never wins these.
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Post by planguy on Apr 6, 2016 22:06:14 GMT -8
Once upon a time she was seen as the canon girl. Oh what storied, beautiful times those were. We once expected gentle pushes towards a red haired goddess, a common route that we could ignore at leisure while we pursued our preferred waifu.
Then came the Usurper.
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Post by knightoblivion on Apr 6, 2016 22:15:53 GMT -8
I can do this. Maybe.
I can understand the appeal of Sola. Quiet, fish out of water, a mix of innocent joys and weary cynicism. A girl who was born to nothing, fought for a people she barely knew and sacrificed herself for them. She understood her duty, but really, really just wanted someone to GIVE A DAMN about her, to ask her what she wanted out of life. I see that, and I respect that. I look at her and say "There's so much more! You don't need to give up anymore. You can put down your burdens for just a little while and rely on ME to carry them."
So why do I like Ava? I like her for many of the same reasons I like Sola. She thinks about the greater good, disregarding her personal feelings in favor of doing what she feels is right, about doing what she thinks needs to be done.
However, I think the major difference between the two lies in the reasons for why they act. Sola did what was expected of her. As Sharr, as princess (even though of bastard blood), it was her duty to save the Empire, to fight and potentially die for people who barely knew who she was. She feels very much like leaf caught in the whims of fate, not in control of her destiny. This is part of her semi-fatalistic attitude, and why she feels so very lost right now. She has come to the future, and in doing so lost her destiny, and so lost her path. That is why she latches onto Asaga as the last of the Throne, why she latches onto you as her Commander, the director of her fate. Ava feels like she has more agency, that she is...........
Fuck. NO. This isn't why I like Ava.
Deep breath.
Let's try that again.
Ava is competent. Ava fights and bleeds for what she wants. She wants order to chaos. She challenges Kayto when she feels he's wrong, is dependable and reliable. I TRUST her. And Ava trusts Kayto. That's probably the biggest thing. When the chips are down, when the world is going to shit and you absolutely need someone to have your back, to come up with a plan and cover all the contingencies, Ava is your gal. I don't want to have to do everything, to think and worry and plan for everything. With Ava, you don't have to. Even when he's doing something stupid, something she thinks is the wrong move, she still follows through. But she doesn't follow blindly. Ava still covers the bases, digs and plans to make Kayto's idea work and plan for when it doesn't. With Sola, Icari, Asaga, everyone else, I don't feel like they're ever my equal. But Ava does. Ava feels like someone Kayto could trust his life to.
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 7, 2016 22:15:38 GMT -8
Icari! I love you forever! You're beautiful!!! !
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Post by selenedrakane on Apr 8, 2016 9:11:26 GMT -8
*Nudge* Oh, hey. Ava's in first place again, how did that happen? Anyway, I never played the 1.00 ending, but several (i.e. Chigara & Claude) just got a lot more interesting. I pretty much always call Chigara "worst girl" in my head, but after this, I may need to revise that position. That, and her endlessly repeating Captain, and saying that she's coming for me is somehow more scary than a full size, full strength Ryuvian Battle Fleet.
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Post by 白龍 on Apr 8, 2016 10:21:00 GMT -8
Icari! I love you forever! You're beautiful!!! ! Lawd damit why ri2sakrash?! That's the most adorable pose(?) I've seen any of the cast in thus far. I hate you. You will never convert me to Icarism!
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Post by Blackhead on Apr 8, 2016 13:25:58 GMT -8
Lawd damit why ri2sakrash?! That's the most adorable pose(?) I've seen any of the cast in thus far. I hate you. You will never convert me to Icarism! You're talking as if you have a choice in that matter. It's happening gradually, bit by bit the tsun wears you down until you give in. Remember to give me a call once you're fully converted, I'm responsible for coordinating the troops after all. To speedup this process I'll show you the reasons and benefits of becoming a soldier for our noble cause. - Personal room with life-sized portrait of Icari-Sama hanging over your bed. She will always be there to remind you that you're fighting ther right war! - Moral superiority over everything that is opposed to Icari-sama. - Be part of the community. Every sunday morning fighters from across the whole empire assemble in 'Tsun-city main cathedral' to experience Icari-sama's speeches live. - Salvation in afterlife. Regardless of what god or system you believe in - Icari-sama is the final solution. - Glory! Recruitment department, General of the 'tsun'-army, Blackhead out.
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 8, 2016 13:39:12 GMT -8
Lawd damit why ri2sakrash?! That's the most adorable pose(?) I've seen any of the cast in thus far. I hate you. You will never convert me to Icarism! You're talking as if you have a choice in that matter. It's happening gradually, bit by bit the tsun wears you down until you give in. Remember to give me a call once you're fully converted, I'm responsible for coordinating the troops after all. To speedup this process I'll show you the reasons and benefits of becoming a soldier for our noble cause. - Personal room with life-sized portrait of Icari-Sama hanging over your bed. She will always be there to remind you that you're fighting ther right war! - Moral superiority over everything that is opposed to Icari-sama. - Be part of the community. Every sunday morning fighters from across the whole empire assemble in 'Tsun-city main cathedral' to experience Icari-sama's speeches live. - Salvation in afterlife. Regardless of what god or system you believe in - Icari-sama is the final solution. - Glory! Recruitment department, General of the 'tsun'-army, Blackhead out. And... Im russian fan Icari-sama, LOOOOL))
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 8, 2016 13:51:21 GMT -8
Icari! I love you forever! You're beautiful!!! ! Lawd damit why ri2sakrash?! That's the most adorable pose(?) I've seen any of the cast in thus far. I hate you. You will never convert me to Icarism! ICARI GODDESS!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by Blackhead on Apr 8, 2016 14:12:31 GMT -8
ICARI GODDESS!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA Lol. ri2sakrash is shamelessly spamming waifu wars with cute Icari pics. Good job. I, as the general of the tsun-forces hereby officially promote you. From now on you'll be our leading 'minister of propaganda.' For the glory of Icari-sama! Make us proud! General of the 'tsun'-army, Blackhead out.
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 8, 2016 14:31:07 GMT -8
ICARI GODDESS!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA Lol. ri2sakrash is shamelessly spamming waifu wars with cute Icari pics. Good job. I, as the general of the tsun-forces hereby officially promote you. From now on you'll be our leading 'minister of propaganda.' For the glory of Icari-sama! Make us proud! General of the 'tsun'-army, Blackhead out. Please, call me just "Ri'Sakrash", my general! It's my realy nickname) Im "minister of propaganda"? COOOL! Russian Minister of propaganda)))
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Post by admiralcheese on Apr 8, 2016 15:02:10 GMT -8
"Icari-sama" is still losing to Loli Space Pirate.
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Post by chargedvanguard on Apr 8, 2016 15:14:58 GMT -8
Made an account just to vote for Ava, Icari and Sola are not far behind though. Still, Ava is the most solid choice, specially now that she is finally opening up to her true feelings instead of being a pseudo tsundere all the time. I think they overdid it a bit with Icari's tsundere act in this installment, she was fine in FA and MoA but now it seems a bit... forced I think? Btw how the hell Cosette has so many votes? She barely has any screen time!
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 9, 2016 1:51:16 GMT -8
"Icari-sama" is still losing to Loli Space Pirate. This means nothing! Icari - true goddess! Incorrect should be gone !
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Post by kinso on Apr 9, 2016 3:25:39 GMT -8
That didn't take long for Icari's club members to become a cult/religion. That aside. Even though Sola may not be first on this poll, it just means more of Sola for ME!! Sola never loses
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Post by 白龍 on Apr 9, 2016 5:20:49 GMT -8
That didn't take long for Icari's club members to become a cult/religion. That aside. Even though Sola may not be first on this poll, it just means more of Sola for ME!! Sola never loses Aye brother! In times of hardships, we must stick together more than ever!
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Post by Nemjen on Apr 9, 2016 5:39:02 GMT -8
Did anyone else think that bear was playing the electric guitar? I just got a real Brody Quest vibe.
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 9, 2016 6:06:42 GMT -8
Did anyone else think that bear was playing the electric guitar? I just got a real Brody Quest vibe. It's BALALAIKA!
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Post by Nemjen on Apr 9, 2016 6:28:22 GMT -8
Did anyone else think that bear was playing the electric guitar? I just got a real Brody Quest vibe. It's BALALAIKA! That doesn't sound very propaganda-ery... Actually it sounds kind of ordinary, you're losing your touch minister.
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 9, 2016 6:35:27 GMT -8
That doesn't sound very propaganda-ery... Actually it sounds kind of ordinary, you're losing your touch minister. My english is very bad, so to hard write. I've been using Google Translatе, but recently I began to learn English at Teach.
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ST.Shadel
Civilian
Abyss not sleeping...Abyss is everywhere...
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Post by ST.Shadel on Apr 9, 2016 6:53:32 GMT -8
This little soviet Icari lover escaped from our control. He wants to set there his "soviet" anarchy. I came for his soul. Я буду следить за тобой, Даниил. Бездна не дремлет... Каратель вездесущ...
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Post by Nemjen on Apr 9, 2016 6:59:13 GMT -8
That doesn't sound very propaganda-ery... Actually it sounds kind of ordinary, you're losing your touch minister. My english is very bad, so to hard write. I've been using Google Translatе, but recently I began to learn English at Teach. Good on you. I wish I had the patience to learn another language, now all the Russian invasion references make sense.
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Post by selenedrakane on Apr 9, 2016 10:42:11 GMT -8
Hold up. Why were people including events in Academy as influence in voting here? Does Academy actually influence this Sunrider universe at all?
*never played Academy*
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 9, 2016 11:40:41 GMT -8
Good on you. I wish I had the patience to learn another language, now all the Russian invasion references make sense. I will tell you. Russian language - it is pure suicide. For foreigners, russian - very difficult language. Very. It's true
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Post by Azure on Apr 9, 2016 13:03:58 GMT -8
The Russian invasion happened a long time ago. Мы здесь были с самого начала!
I approve of Icari in ushanka.
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Post by Ri'Sakrash on Apr 9, 2016 13:16:00 GMT -8
The Russian invasion happened a long time ago. Мы здесь были с самого начала! I approve of Icari in ushanka. Ну это ведь и хорошо! ( This is good) Больше людей - быстрее нашествие! (More people - fast invasion!)
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