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Post by magicdragon on Jan 16, 2022 11:20:39 GMT -8
Sunrider Academy is an alternate reality 'what if' type story. I believe it has some cannon in it, specifically the Sola and Ava routes. At the end of Liberation Day where Sola and the Captain are talking about Claude, I believe that information connects to the alternate Sola in Academy. The scene were Ava is talking to herself (and/or her dad) in the mirror also makes a bit more sense, at least to me, after following the Ava route in Academy.
All in all I wouldn't say Sunrider Academy is required to play and enjoy Liberation Day, but I think it does add some relevant minor background information.
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Post by magicdragon on Sept 2, 2020 20:25:32 GMT -8
I've seen a lot of people saying things to the effect of 'didn't like Liberation Day because choices don't matter'. I'll grant that it does appear that way, but then there wasn't a route for each girl, or any girl in First Arrival/Mask of Arcadius, so did choices matter? When we start Liberation Day the game either picks up our choices from FA/MOA or we fill in what our choices were, with the obvious effects being either Ava is whole or has the eye patch, and either we can stop Asaga from killing Cossette or not. That we didn't have a choice to not start a relationship with Chigara in LD doesn't mean the choices made in this game won't matter in the next game. Though it is very frustrating how long it's taking to get the next 'chapter' and see what effect the choices we did have make in the story.
Edit: I'd like the final game to have a route for each girl, but not done like [Re]Turn where you basically pick the girl and go, rather choices from the previous games having an impact on which girl will want to be with you. Also an unrequited love route where the story ends with the bad guys defeated, the galaxy at peace, and Kayto continues to captain his ship without having won over a girl.
If its possible to have a route for each girl I don't know that sequels would really be all that entertaining. Prequels though could be good, I'd like to see one for Sola and possible Claude. Claude there are the questions of how did she get the time device and how involved has she been in setting current events into motion? Did she destroy the time device Crow used? Was Sola really caught in Crow's 'temporal wake' and brought forward or was that Claude's work?
Sola's could be an interesting story I think, maybe even starting it by following her father and showing the royal family through his eyes and how he met Sola's mother. Maybe he was even a good man at the time and thus why Sola's mother was so sure he would come back, maybe he really planned to marry her. Then we see Sola's Grandfather forbid it and even forces him into an arranged marriage, and how his new wife changes him, pushing him to be more ambitious, until he finally kills his father and older brother sparking the war for the throne. Then we get to start following Sola as she is pressed into service as Princess of Ryuvia coercing her to agree to lead his side of the war against Crow. To captain a Shar'loc looking for the opportunity to use the ship's power sacrificing herself to destroy Crow and his followers.
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Post by magicdragon on Mar 19, 2020 20:04:05 GMT -8
The kickstarter page has a minimum goal of $3,500 with stretch goals of $4,000 and $4,500.
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Post by magicdragon on Mar 19, 2020 20:00:47 GMT -8
Looking at the Sunrider kickstarter pages, the first update post was 7 December 2013, and it looks like the money to start development was raised quickly.
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Post by magicdragon on Dec 10, 2019 15:37:27 GMT -8
Ever wonder what story could be told if someone found an ancient Ryuvian battle ship still operational and took command? While 'It Ain't Over...' by Robert M. Kerns isn't set in the Sunrider universe its easy to see some parallels. An ancient race that looks to have died off before humans had evolved has left a few remnants of their advanced civilization behind and Cole happens to find one in the form of a battle carrier. To get the battle carrier fully operational he needs a crew and so he sets off in search of people he can trust to crew his ship.
Cole doesn't have a crew of waifus flirting with him, and yet I think it manages to be a good story.
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Post by magicdragon on Jul 20, 2019 11:01:30 GMT -8
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Post by magicdragon on Apr 4, 2019 14:13:46 GMT -8
Such a tease. The next part of our Sunrider 4 announcement is here. Thanks to the folks over at Netflix and their recent support we'll be doing a catch up series that includes a prologue to our next main entry. Introducing Sunrider: The Live Action Coming 2020 to a sofa setup near you. 12:27 AM - 1 Apr 2019
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Post by magicdragon on Mar 29, 2019 12:23:31 GMT -8
First, yes this is the right place for your question.
Second, if you've played through Sunrider Mask of Arcadius, Sunrider Academy and found the sunrider-vn.com/novel/ you've gotten all the personal background on the characters that I'm aware exists. As far as I know there isn't anything specific on how long any of their training takes. Myself I was guessing Kayto has spent 4 years getting a general education with officer training mixed in. As he wasn't the brightest student so he may have minimized the number of classes that he took each semester thus extending how long it took him to finish his education. Also 4 years is a very short time for Ava to advance to the rank of Commander and be placed as First officer, but again there isn't much of her background so we don't really know if it was dedication and hard work that got her quickly promoted or if like Kayto there were special circumstances and they chose her because she wasn't accustomed to doing things a certain way because that's how its always been done and could be a good First Officer to a Captain who can be unpredictable.
Lastly, if you are considering posting your fanfic on this forum, there is a section for it.
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Post by magicdragon on Mar 28, 2019 9:48:45 GMT -8
Looks like I was too slow. Was going to post here since @nemjen only edited his post in Project Progress so you can't tell its actually changed since he posted back in January.
No ETA but at least we finally know for certain it hasn't been completely abandoned.
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Post by magicdragon on Dec 28, 2018 14:07:22 GMT -8
*Continues secretly selling Sola mugs and Space Whale plushies through the black market* OOooohh. *begins google search for black market Space Whale Plushies*
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Post by magicdragon on Nov 29, 2018 14:28:24 GMT -8
Looking at LiS's Patreon update page November 15th post Sunrider is looking abandoned. Our New Project Schedule: - Project 7: Idol Empire (active) - Project 8: ProM (on hold) - Project 9: Wonderland (on hold, following the completion of 7 + 8)
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Post by magicdragon on Nov 17, 2018 17:01:51 GMT -8
Sunrider academy Slice of Life could be like Clannad but each of the routes have really interesting stories so I don't know how to compress that into an anime without cutting the routes. In stead of compressing all the stories into one, it could be expanded into multiple stories. As we are dealing with a multiverse there could be multiple stories that follow Kayto through universes where he makes different choices. So in one he chooses to be vice president so he can be close to Ava. In another maybe he takes the student council roll as an activities director where most of his time is spent trying helping Asaga keep the Kendo club organized. Or perhaps his roll as activities director may have him spending much of his time working with the science club. In another Kayto could have taken a summer job as a lifeguard, and uses that to talk his way into being an assistant swim coach to get his extra curricular school activity credit.
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Post by magicdragon on Oct 25, 2018 15:10:31 GMT -8
So quiet, is everyone holding their breath waiting for LiS to make their next announcement?
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 29, 2018 16:47:26 GMT -8
I've given some more thought to your original post and realize I went off on a tangent more to do with Cosette's morals or rather lack of morals, than really addressing Cosette joining the crew. Her joining the crew seems unlikely to me, yes more conversations between Kayto and Cosette could have been put in giving him a chance to change her opinion of him and added some more story content and choices to the game....for those that saved Cosette. And there in lays, in my opinion, why she wasn't given an opportunity to join. In the next chapter (we all hope will come soon) it would make the story telling more challenging adding a crew member for those who saved Cosette and were able to convince her to join but leaving her out for everyone else. Game balance may also have played a roll as some players would have an extra ryder.
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 17, 2018 13:20:06 GMT -8
Also, I don't recall the conversation concerning Ceran forces turned pirate, but I do recall that you're given an option upon encountering some former Ceran forces who turned to piracy. I personally allowed them to return to duty, because (depending on what exactly they did) it's somewhat understandable that they'd turn rogue given the complete loss of connections, resources, and purpose after the fall of Cera. Its in the Sunrider Novelization that the conversation I mentioned takes place not the game, so my mistake there.
As I recall having to make the choice to add them to my crew or not I'm thinking I treated them as pirates. They may not have been as successful at bounty hunting as Sunrider, but instead of being the protectors they were trained to be they chose to use their skills to be thieves and murderers, the kind of scum they were supposed to oppose.
I'm not sure what LiS's budget has to do with Cosette being in future installments or not. The way I see it, it is a matter of story telling. Maybe I was a bit to definitive saying NO story because, sure she could have some minor part for those that saved her and yet her absence would have no major impact on the story for those that didn't save her. Perhaps I just lack the imagination of how Cosette could, with Asaga tearing Havok apart and all of its systems going offline, survive falling into a star. Preferably with a little credibility, not something like 'Black Jack's final hit altered Havok's trajectory just enough so instead of falling into the star Cosette was set in an orbit that would slingshot her out of the star's gravity well, (when the odds of this happening were only 22079460347:1 against, which just happens to be the phone number to the flat where you met a really nice girl and totally blew it with) and after weeks (with no food or water) she managed to repair havok's engines and guidance system with nothing but a toothpick and roll of duct tape tube of nano bonding gel from her emergency repair kit, eventually making her way back to an old pirate hide out'.
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 16, 2018 17:12:24 GMT -8
Unless Samu-kun has some way to resurrect her from burning in a sun (not everyone made the right choices or used the wishall to save her) then I don't see her having a story in future installments. I did not see her as a darker version of Kayto, just a killer. She was a pirate, she stole and murdered and had a reputation for being ruthless. After slipping away from Sunrider as they destroyed her pirate base, she turned to Pact which to me looked like a move to find someone that could help her get revenge against Sunrider and Kayto. We don't see what life was like while Pact held Ongress, was Pact trying to help with food and medical like the Alliance? or were they taking the Ongressite and offering empty platitudes for how great the future will be? Since I didn't see Pact as making any attempt to really improve living conditions on Ongress, Cosette's claims of being a liberator of those being oppressed by the Alliance felt empty to me. Her real motivation for helping Pact to me always felt like a way to get revenge against Kayto.
There was a conversation between Kayto and Ava after the Alliance joined the fight about some Ceran military that was captured by the Alliance and executed for being pirates. Kayto admits that had Sunrider been the one to catch them they would have shown them the airlock. Personally I think the path where Kayto stops Asaga and has Cosette brought aboard, he was to lenient by not either shoving her out an airlock or taking her to Tyderia and turning her over to the authorities there and let them execute her.
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 15, 2018 18:29:50 GMT -8
I read that too, and agree, it was very emotional and a good read. If you noticed the picture of Maray in the first half of MoA she was holding the same stuffed animal as Sora carries around.
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 15, 2018 15:25:34 GMT -8
Yes, some things with Chigara being a prototype don't entirely make sense unless put with some restrictions on the mindstream. Chigara's goals were to get to know Asaga (and yes Chigara did know Asaga is the princess as Asaga told her not long after they became friends) and make sure Asaga survived her adventures until Alice was ready to use her to take control of Ryuvia. So for Chigara to continue her life outside Diode and be their eyes on Asaga, it was decided she wasn't to know the truth about Diode or actively interact with the mindstream, she would continue her life thinking and acting as a human. Maybe this was to help her pass a human or ensure she wouldn't be a blabber mouth telling all their secrets like Lynn. I'm going to guess that this meant only Alpha could touche Chigara's mind and only to influence here in subtle ways, so they could not use the mindstream to know what Chigara knows. So with restrictions it would be through other sources that the prototypes find out what Chigara is doing. As the prototypes weren't ready to take over Ryuvia there wasn't yet a need to drag Asaga back there, but if Alpha and through Alpha or other sources Alice knew that Asaga was on Sunrider there is the big question of why have them go find the Talbur to find the princess? This mission did get Claude and Sola on the Sunrider, but beyond introducing new characters into the story there isn't a need for it since the prototypes should already knew where Asaga was at.
As for Chigara and Kayto, I read their saying they influenced Chigara to get close to Kayto as Alpha suggesting having tea and talking to him. That Chigara fell in love with him, the depth of her feelings for him seemed to surprise Alpha. This made me think that Chigara's feelings for Kayto are her own, not manipulations from the mindstream.
Samu-Kun has already stated that [RE]Turn is non-cannon (that post is in the news section of the forums), which I'm glad because that sabotage of the reactor doesn't fit with how limited I think their control over Chigara should be. At least without Chigara breaking into the mindstream.
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Post by magicdragon on Aug 10, 2018 4:35:26 GMT -8
So I liked the idea of a black ryder for Ava so I modified one of the pact ryders with a bigger gun and a hacking dish.
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Post by magicdragon on Jul 22, 2018 12:27:51 GMT -8
The last CG is of the debate when Kayto is running for class president and Fontana rips off his shirt. I'm not sure what is required to unlock this CG.
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Post by magicdragon on Jul 20, 2018 10:15:30 GMT -8
I don't think any relationship beyond friendship is appropriate for those two. Maybe if Kayto wasn't her direct superior, but literally her job is to keep the captain in check and take over for him if he's incapacitated. Imagine how much Ava's command ability could be compromised (if they're lovers) if Kayto was critically injured and she has to assume command? I don't think Kayto being injured would compromise Ava's ability to take command, as she has already had to do so once. Granted they aren't lovers but I think Ava is very good at burying her emotions to do what needs to be done and dealing with her emotions later when she is alone. On the other hand it could be argued that Ava's judgement is clouded by their relationship, the best example being if you chose not to send Ava to sacrifice her life to destroy the Legion, Kayto makes a big scene on the bridge but Ava doesn't press him to stand down as captain for clearly being emotionally compromised. I actually respect Ava wanting to keep her distance but Command dropped the ball putting them in that situation in the first place. Still it strikes me odd with so many people shipping Kayto and Ava. Ava wouldn't be Ava if she couldn't keep Kayto in check and that's very hard to do with a romantic partner. I don't think you can really blame Cera Command unless at some time Kayto or/and Ava told Cera Command they had an intimate relationship that could interfere with their ability to perform their duties.
While I agree with you that their military stations make an intimate relationship inappropriate, I would still ship them. Kayto can be a bit of a slacker and can get Ava to relax a bit from time to time, but Ava keeps Kayto from slacking off too much which is why I think they need each other.
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Post by magicdragon on Jun 19, 2018 10:42:08 GMT -8
To me it was like this. Cera: Poland Pact: Soviet Alliance: Western Ryuvian: Roman Empire The Prototype: Marvel Hydra Mining Union: Swiss (mercenary) Ongess: Third world country who got trashed by the bigger power. I mean, the real-world parallels are obvious except for maybe the Prototypes. But I was more interested in Cera's culture, which naturally seems more like Japanese-filler. I saw Cera more as Japan but the rest, ya I think the comparisons fit.
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Post by magicdragon on Jun 7, 2018 19:29:27 GMT -8
Academy is a fun diversion from the main series but I wouldn't want more until the main games storyline is wrapped up. I just don't care for stat management games at all. I enjoyed Return more than Academy, if that's any indication of where I'm at. I wasn't crazy about the stat management either, I struggled through Ava's story first, reloaded at the point I could choose a path and looked up the cheats so I could focus more on the story. I'm really not sure where a sequel to Academy would go since each ending wrapped up differently, it would have been set up better for a sequel if after graduating they joined the space force. This would have allowed the sequel to remain in a school type setting while adding some space combat sim training.
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Post by magicdragon on Jun 7, 2018 19:14:07 GMT -8
I know in the US military there are rules about relationships. Its okay for 2 enlisted to have a relationship as long as one is not in charge of the other, ie. a platoon sergeant isn't supposed to have a relationship with someone in their platoon. Relationships between officers and enlisted are more strict as they can't be in the same company (also the officer may find themselves being passed over for promotion, its that discouraged). Between officers its like enlisted one cannot be in charge of the other. So if Kayto and Ava were in the US military their relationship would definitely be against regulations.
I've never really thought about it before, I don't know if every military regulates relationships the same way. It could be that Cera's military regulations don't obstruct personal relationships. As a possible boost to that theory, at the end of [ReTurn] when you got one of the happy endings, including Ava's, they would always tell the new girl not to get any ideas about the captain he has a girlfriend already. Reading through when Ava rejects him thinking that is her duty, I had the impression that she was following regulations, an impression that admittedly was skewed by my time in the military. However it could be that it wasn't regulations but a belief she had to put her duty above her feelings and thought she was doing what was best to keep Kayto focused on his duty to the ship and crew.
All in all yes I agree their relationship is messed up.
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Post by magicdragon on Jun 6, 2018 16:52:30 GMT -8
Okay just a couple picky notes its not High buy Holy Ryuvian Empire and they weren't at war against the Solar Alliance they were actually allied with the Solar Alliance against the New Empire. That alliance soured after the battle at Far Port, the forces of the Solar Alliance and Holy Ryuvian Empire were able to liberate Far Port from the New Empire but the Solar Alliance went back on their deal and annexed Far Port as part of the Solar Alliance instead of allowing the Holy Ryuvian Empire to retake governance of the system.
As the the question of Aliens, I went with maybe. To throw Aliens in with the current Sunrider story I'd say 'no' but after things with Crow are wrapped up as a new direction, new story line, I'd say 'yes' that could be interesting. What those races should look like? I don't have the imagination for that, I'd probably look to other space fantasy works and borrow from them. One series I read a while ago had an aquatic life form capable of building cities underwater and machines to help them swim faster. Could be interesting trying to communicate with a species that chatters like dolphins or maybe songs like whales.
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Post by magicdragon on May 31, 2018 20:38:19 GMT -8
Since Sunrider is red and white, and her ryder is red and white I was thinking her plugsuit should be red and white. (I would have like to have gotten my pic to look like neppi's but my photo editing skills suck.)
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Post by magicdragon on May 29, 2018 4:49:23 GMT -8
How about this one Maybe too badass for Ava. Perhaps it need a dish for transmitting its hack that disables the enemy ryder such that they ryder keeps giving them the error msg 'That function is unavailable until you have properly completed the correct request form.'
Pilot: Fire lasers!
Virus: That function is unavailable until you have properly completed the correct request form. Pilot: What!?! Launch missile! Virus: That function is unavailable until you have properly completed the correct request form. Pilot: Lateral thrusters! Dodge DODGE!!! Virus: That function is unavailable until you have properly completed the correct request form. Pilot: What are you talking about filling out forms? Virus: Basic Ryder operations rule-book Section 317-2 clearly states that all pilots must fill out a form 5150 for approval of the requested action. Pilot: WHAT!?! This is a battle, there's no time for forms! That's just CRAZY! Virus: Did you just insult proper paperwork? Ryder: Systems shutting down, reactor sleep mode engaged. Goodbye.
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Post by magicdragon on May 24, 2018 7:52:36 GMT -8
Bringing Maray back would be easy... Kayto could just use the Wishall to jump to a universe where Maray wasn't in Cera city and thus survived. Bringing her back would be an awful, awful decision. Coping with Maray's death and eventually overcoming the feelings of guilt stemming from it is the backbone of Kayto's character arc thus far, influencing everything from his relationship with Chigara to his decision to sacrifice himself to save Cera from the Alliance. Maray surviving would enormously cheapen the main character of the series, leaving his development feeling hollow. I agree with this and, for this reason, am glad that using the Wishall to bring her back wasn't an option.
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Post by magicdragon on May 3, 2018 10:17:23 GMT -8
Don't forget the stuffed animals for Kayto's desk that will also be saturating the lootboxes and model ships for the shelves behind his desk. Gotta collect em all cause rumor is your FTL contacts will be impressed by your collection and give you better missions.
(Ummm devs don't actually read these forums do they? I fear they may think we would actually like these ideas.)
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Post by magicdragon on Apr 26, 2018 10:51:14 GMT -8
My guess on how Sola survived assumes Claude grabbed Sola as she was about to activate the Final Tear and puts her in the stasis tube. Then with the help of Alpha and the prototypes (heh sounds like a geek band) bypasses the requirements that Sola's life is drained away or has to hold that DNA activated switch on till it explodes or however that mechanic works, so Claude can remote detonate it. So Asaga finds Sola and Claude remote activates the sequence to wake her from stasis. Sola attacks Asaga and escapes to her ryder, Asaga makes it out of there and back to her ryder as they battle some of the Ryuvian warships that have woken up. Once those ships are destroyed and Sola has surrendered Claude activates the Final Tear to get Sunrider to warp out of there to somewhere Pact can take the Crown Jewel of Ryuvia...and Asaga, With the destruction of the Sharr'Loc, whether it was the Final Tear or some other self-destructing malfunction, the ships in the Mnemosyne Abyss were destroyed. So how does Crow's officer know Sola is in this time too? Sola: "The circumstances around my survival have been inexplicable. My body should have been vaporized the instant the Final Tear was activated." (from Sunrider) Based on this, I would amend my above guess that Claude had tampered with the Sharr'Lac to knock Sola out instead of vaporize her, and the Final Tear not activate until Claude was ready for that to happen. Deep withing the Mnemosyne Abyss... A mammoth super-dreadnought of unknown origins emerged from warp space. So an answer to my on question of how Crow knew of Sola...If the emerging from warp space isn't reffering the time jump but rather a ship that has returned from scouting then knowledge of Sola can be explained by have been watching a current news feed. So, I would assume that Diodians have somehow discovered the Nightmare frame and bio-engineered Alice from the remnants of its diseased pilot, which gave a start to the whole Prototype project. Alice Ashada pondered those thoughts as she walked through the Diode Cloning Facility.Her steps took her to a familiar location. Her old office. (So even this detail has been recreated exactly as before...) It was here, where for the merest sliver of a second, she brushed her fingers against that almighty power... The Paradox Project... The galaxy's greatest and most dangerous minds had gathered here, in the furthest corner of the galaxy, to finally attain what had eluded humanity for so long. They were exiled Alliance researchers and New Imperial scientists deemed too dangerous even for the tyrants of New Eden... But attempt after attempt, year after year, they had failed to produce results. Computations done through their best super computers and artificial intelligences failed to yield breakthroughs. It was then when they realized such knowledge was beyond the comprehension of mere humans. They needed to create a new race, capable of thought processes beyond the capacity of even the most gifted of homo sapiens." First, a prototype was created. Alice Ashada. They watched her. Raised her as a one of their own. Even gave her the surname of the director of the Paradox Project, who assumed the role of her father. (Tsch... But it was all a lie! Humans... created me for their own ends... And tossed me away the moment I fulfilled my use.) The Prototype produced some promising results. Accomplishing what super computers and the galaxy's best minds could not, Alice successfully translocated molecules by fractions of a second. A breakthrough, produced even before the artificial girl had turned sixteen. Using the lessons learned from the Prototype, the Alpha was finally created. Alice's teeth clenched. (Those scum.. created my sister and I... just so we could be tools in their search to become gods. But I stopped their plans... and saved the both of us.) The Prototype proved far more difficult to control than her creators believed. She accidentally discovered the truth of her existence. Her belief that she was a normal human girl who lived with her caring parents in a research station was shattered that day - the first of the many pieces of her sanity which would break following that day. (Yes...) It was here... when I struck down my father... with my very hands. What else could I do? I was merely a test run. They were going to toss me away, like an obsolete machine. I had no choice! I was going to rescue my sister and escape this prison... But Alice's life did not have such a happy conclusion. [Liberation Day ReTurn] It could have been Sharr Myren's DNA, as there has been speculation that a lot of ancient Ryuvian technology was hidden at Diode and the Nightmare Ascendant and Sharr Myren's remains could have been among that if true. Another possibilty is that Sharr Myren's remains were found later and Alice was able to extract the nanobots from her remains. Some of who Sharr Myren was may have been imprinted on the nanobots and perhaps even in the Nightmare Ascendant.
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